Internet Piracy

gerryh

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Well we have to be careful here. Regardless of what people are accessing online, yes they are entitled to having access to it. In this case, possessing child porn is illegal but it's still legal for someone to access its public location.


Once you "access it", you "possess it".
 

DurkaDurka

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Well we have to be careful here. Regardless of what people are accessing online, yes they are entitled to having access to it. In this case, possessing child porn is illegal but it's still legal for someone to access its public location.

You haven't a clue what you are talking about...
 

Scott Free

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How does a thread on piracy get turned into a thread on child porn?

Now wouldn't the political elite love it if we made that association? It would be like linking gang violence to granddad having a riffle in his closet - oh wait, that association has already been made!


Focus people! :lol:
 

MHz

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I'm not sure why the recording industry can't release a copy just for the public, free of charge with stereo quality. The DVD's would cost $50 or so but then you get a master copy with 12 separate tracks (or whatever) so you can choose to listen to just one source instead of the whole group as one track (free edition)
Studio video could be included, out-takes, ect. If they need more room then set up a web site that only allows entrance through the DVD to just info for that one DVD (membership lets you cruise around a tiny bit, the DVD has a lot more detail available.

Since hardly anybody listens to a radio anymore bringing a free version lets more people hear the song, have the band's name a part of the song (start or end).

My music taste's are quite small but teens are quite prone to the temptation, a free version would be passed around like wildfire compared to the underground that is used today, the wider the music is heard the more will shell out for the higher quality version. Some would be quite happy with an AM version of the same song/.

All music should fall into public domain at some point in their life. An albulm 20 years old has made just about as much as it ever will, give it away. The suppliers website would get lots of hits just by people seeing whats been added to the public library.

Say I have a very expensive piece of software, what would be out there to stop me from starting a company that has lots of really expensive (specific) programs and I set up icons on my website that would start the program running in user mode. The person gets to do what they wanted and the odds are most would need it very intermittenly rather than very often. Charge a (small) fee to gain access and it's legal is it not?
 

NorthernSun

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I personally have pirated 100's of songs and dozens of videos because I think that I shouldn't have to pay 40$ a month for internet, because Canadian ISP's are among the costliest in the world, and still have to pay 10$ for a movie and 1$ for a song.
 

gerryh

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what makes you think that what you pay for internet access to an ISP has anything at all to do with movies and music? The ISP's don't own the rights to those things. Do you also feel you should be able to get anything else that is put up for sale on the net for free?
 

NorthernSun

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No, but I am tired of internet fees, maybe if they lowered them I would feel a bit better about sending my money to the fatcats that sit around in their offices all day making money from music and videos and such,
 

DurkaDurka

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I'm not sure why the recording industry can't release a copy just for the public, free of charge with stereo quality. The DVD's would cost $50 or so but then you get a master copy with 12 separate tracks (or whatever) so you can choose to listen to just one source instead of the whole group as one track (free edition)
Studio video could be included, out-takes, ect. If they need more room then set up a web site that only allows entrance through the DVD to just info for that one DVD (membership lets you cruise around a tiny bit, the DVD has a lot more detail available.

Since hardly anybody listens to a radio anymore bringing a free version lets more people hear the song, have the band's name a part of the song (start or end).

My music taste's are quite small but teens are quite prone to the temptation, a free version would be passed around like wildfire compared to the underground that is used today, the wider the music is heard the more will shell out for the higher quality version. Some would be quite happy with an AM version of the same song/.

All music should fall into public domain at some point in their life. An albulm 20 years old has made just about as much as it ever will, give it away. The suppliers website would get lots of hits just by people seeing whats been added to the public library.

Say I have a very expensive piece of software, what would be out there to stop me from starting a company that has lots of really expensive (specific) programs and I set up icons on my website that would start the program running in user mode. The person gets to do what they wanted and the odds are most would need it very intermittenly rather than very often. Charge a (small) fee to gain access and it's legal is it not?

Trent Reznor of Ninch Inch Nails has experimented with ideas like that. With his latest album, he offered a free mp3 version from his website but also gave you the option to buy the album with associated artwork, additional songs, videos etc. From what I have read he did quite well, financially with this.
 

NorthernSun

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Maybe if the album is old we could get hi quality versions for free and not just AM versions. Personally, the music on my iPod is OK quality, but I would like better...
 

DurkaDurka

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I personally have pirated 100's of songs and dozens of videos because I think that I shouldn't have to pay 40$ a month for internet, because Canadian ISP's are among the costliest in the world, and still have to pay 10$ for a movie and 1$ for a song.

Your logic is messed up as well. Do you sleep better at night telling your self this?

How does a communication service you pay for justify you pirating copyrighted goods?

I pay $40.00/m for my internet as well and I too pirate the odd movie etc, to use the excuse that the internet is too expensive so I have to download this stuff, is lame in the highest order. Do you steal from friends/family/stores when they have something desire but cannot afford?
 

DurkaDurka

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Maybe if the album is old we could get hi quality versions for free and not just AM versions. Personally, the music on my iPod is OK quality, but I would like better...

Buy the CD and rip the music your self then? You know what MP3's have various bit rates they can be ripped at, higher being better? The crap you download off of Kazzaa is about the same quality as a cassette tape from the 80's.
 

gerryh

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Nov 21, 2004
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No, I just don't like to pay for stuff that I can get for free and still have a guilt free conscience.


Why do you think you can get these movies and music for free? You do realize that it's because someone has illegally copied that peice of work and put it up for download.
 

NorthernSun

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So your excuse about internet fee's eating up your disposable income is a lie then?

Not really. My parents pay for internet so I really don't care, but I have better things to waste my money on. I do buy SOME legal music. Besides, are you going to report me? If so, please report the other millions of people that do this too.
 

DurkaDurka

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Not really. My parents pay for internet so I really don't care, but I have better things to waste my money on. I do buy SOME legal music. Besides, are you going to report me? If so, please report the other millions of people that do this too.

Ok, so you don't pay for your internet so how does that forty bucks a month effect your finances, does it lower your allowance or something?

I could care less if people pirate whatever, what bothers me is idiots who think they are entitled to these works for whatever reason. Say you do it because you can or you have some philosophical aversion to it but thinking your are entitled to it is BS.
 

NorthernSun

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I don't even get an allowance... I make money from reffing hockey and delivering the papers. I guess you are right. No one really has a rite to pirate, but they are still going to do it anyway and that is my final word on the subject.
 

DurkaDurka

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I don't even get an allowance... I make money from reffing hockey and delivering the papers. I guess you are right. No one really has a rite to pirate, but they are still going to do it anyway and that is my final word on the subject.

Fair enough :cool:
 

gerryh

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I don't even get an allowance... I make money from reffing hockey and delivering the papers. I guess you are right. No one really has a rite to pirate, but they are still going to do it anyway and that is my final word on the subject.


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