In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

[moghrabi]

In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Dec 17, 10:08 PM (ET)

By WILLIAM KATES

ITHACA, N.Y. (AP) - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans, according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or people who are less religious.

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http://apnews.myway.com//article/20041218/D871PUF80.html

 

[Paco]

In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Dec 17, 10:08 PM (ET)

By WILLIAM KATES

ITHACA, N.Y. (AP) - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans, according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or people who are less religious.

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http://apnews.myway.com//article/20041218/D871PUF80.html

Dumbasses. And cowards. All 44% of 'em. A few guns in the house cures those fears.

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

"A few guns in the house cures those fears"? Sorry but I fail to see the connection.

Disturbing news, moghrabi.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: In U.S., 44 Percent S

Also the demographic that most supports racial profiling etc is the same demographic most likely to own guns.

 

[moghrabi]

In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims


Dumbasses. And cowards. All 44% of 'em. A few guns in the house cures those fears.

So Basically if I happen to live next to you Paco, you wll take care of me with a gun?

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Guess so when you're a "terr-rist" moghrabi :?

 

[moghrabi]

Wow. What should I do then when I want to live in the biggest terrorist country in the world? If you know what I mean?

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Are you moving to France, moghrabi? :wink: ... Just kidding ... Now, this is an opinion of Paco. There are enough places in the US where you don't have to fear about Muslimhate whatsoever. Some time ago I actually saw a documentary about Muslim Americans ... It's not all as bad as some say for Muslims, they said. But I don't know whether that is a majority or a minority vote. I have no figures about how American Muslims feel about their position in American society.

 

[moghrabi]

I really do not give 2 cents thought about how they feel nowadays. 99.9 percent of the muslims in the world are peace loving people. If they want to hate us for the works of the few we can start the hating game for the works of their governement. The problem is I don't live to hate.

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

I see.

 

[DasFX]

Muslims are very much hated in the US, go to some of the US news forums (www.abcnews.com) and you will see how deep the hatred runs. Most do not differentiate between extremists and regular Muslims.

Muslims are very much misunderstood; I believe that peaceful Muslims could do more to educate the ignorant. I'm very open-minded and have friends of every colour, creed and religion. I do not have any Muslims friends, but I feel it is more because many are very cliquey and don't wish to associate with other who are not Muslim, perhaps this self imposed isolation has contributed to some of the stereotypes.

 

[moghrabi]

Hi DasFX. I can be your first Muslim friend if you wish. I have to disagree with you though about your last statement. Muslims are very outgoing. It is only in the last few years they kept to themselves not knowing if they will be accepted as friends or not. If you show them that you are not hostile to them and want to understand them, they welcome you with open arms.

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Although I don't know about Canada, there has been the complaint by some in the Netherlands that certain Muslim groups are not willing so much to move among other groups in Dutch society. A main barrier was said to be the language, and the fact that a lot of Muslims are clustered in slums (as I already said in another post). I don't really know whether these comments are the main causes why some people feel like there isn't as much interaction as they want to be. I once did a presentation at school - we, a group of 4, had to make a manifest for a political party. I was appointed as the one dealing with Integration. I did some surfing, and I named my chapter "Integration from both sides". I still believe that integration of groups, and especially the lack of it, is not the fault of the "new" group (in this case, mainly Muslim immigrants from Morocco and Turkey) but also the fault of the "white" Dutchman, who is not willing to learn about their new fellow countrymen.

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Hi DasFX. I can be your first Muslim friend if you wish. I have to disagree with you though about your last statement. Muslims are very outgoing. It is only in the last few years they kept to themselves not knowing if they will be accepted as friends or not. If you show them that you are not hostile to them and want to understand them, they welcome you with open arms.

I appreciate the offer. I realize my statement does not apply to all Muslims; it is something from my personal experience. Being a 26 year old male, I've worked with many Muslim women my own age, however I felt there was always a wall between true friendship. I've discussed issue that they face at home with their families and a lot of what is expected in unreasonable and sexist. The double standards of the culture are troublesome.

Moderate Muslims have to do more to show that the religion is progressive and evolving. Extremists have hijacked the religion; it is peaceful Muslims' job to take it back.

 

[moghrabi]

I agree with you Rick. The "White Dutchman" is not willing to learn anything about his new neigbor. But it is also the other way around. At first it starts with language barriers and customs that are differnet in a new land. It all adds to alienation. Add to that the aftermath of 9/11 and Bingo.

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Hi DasFX. I can be your first Muslim friend if you wish. I have to disagree with you though about your last statement. Muslims are very outgoing. It is only in the last few years they kept to themselves not knowing if they will be accepted as friends or not. If you show them that you are not hostile to them and want to understand them, they welcome you with open arms.

I appreciate the offer. I realize my statement does not apply to all Muslims; it is something from my personal experience. Being a 26 year old male, I've worked with many Muslim women my own age, however I felt there was always a wall between true friendship. I've discussed issue that they face at home with their families and a lot of what is expected in unreasonable and sexist. The double standards of the culture are troublesome.

Moderate Muslims have to do more to show that the religion is progressive and evolving. Extremists have hijacked the religion; it is peaceful Muslims' job to take it back.

I fully agree. The religion is hijacked. We have to get it back.

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

I agree with you Rick. The "White Dutchman" is not willing to learn anything about his new neigbor. But it is also the other way around. At first it starts with language barriers and customs that are differnet in a new land. It all adds to alienation. Add to that the aftermath of 9/11 and Bingo.

Well not willing to learn ANYTHING is kinda harsh :wink: Just like 9/11 and the murder on Van Gogh caused a lot of negative feelings bursting out against Muslims, it also caused that more people were willing to learn about them. Mosques held open days for example, people invited each other to celebrate the end of the Ramadan as well as Christmas. And besides all this, new figures show that more and more Muslims have "white" Dutchmen among their group of friends; more and more Muslims are marrieing with "white" Dutchmen; etc. So it's not all bad. But there is just so much which has to improve. I have to admit that I don't have any Muslim friends either, but that's also due to the fact that there are almost no Muslims in the neighborhood where I live, nor at school, nor within my family. I do know one Muslim though (except you): Ahmet, he's like me member of the Green Party here and we actually had an interesting conversation about his youth in Turkey and the Turkish culture a week ago, but I'm getting off topic now.

 

[moghrabi]

Never meant to be harsh. i mis-spoken. I am glad to learn that the relationship is there.

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Well, don't apologize. Sometimes I just feel the same like you, especially after the murder on Van Gogh, when a total of some 40 mosques were attacked, violated etc, I just thought that just all people were ignorant as see easily to manipulate. But I've also learned that this is just one side of the story, and that some media sources just don't report that much about the other side of the story. I also have the feeling that negative news influences the image people have about certain things more than good news does.

 

[moghrabi]

The news and the media can be the a maker or breaker of wars.