Immigrant Assimilation

[Jay]

RE: Assimilation of Immigrants

"Give a seminar on responsible drinking prior to trading?"

Maybe they did give these seminars, but they were given by Irish, French and Scotsmen.....


How did those English types side step being lushes?

 

[Twila]

RE: Assimilation of Immig

coming from an immigrant family on mother and father's side I'm greatful for the "too much immigration"

 

[mrmom2]

Re: Assimilation of Immigrants

They never side stepped it Jay There just better at it just ask Henry

 

[Twila]

RE: Assimilation of Immig

How did those English types side step being lushes?

With practice, I believe....the natives did in fact have intoxicants that they're able to handle and europeans were not. I watched a documentary that eluded to some facts about this. I do remember vividly that it's was not genetic......

 

[Jay]

RE: Assimilation of Immigrants

Is it practice? Certainly lots of “practice” to go around….

I do doubt it is genetic....

It is true the Natives were eating all the good drugs, but the Europeans couldn't handle them? I didn't know this....what do you mean?

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Assimilation of Immig

How did those English types side step being lushes?

With practice, I believe....the natives did in fact have intoxicants that they're able to handle and europeans were not. I watched a documentary that eluded to some facts about this. I do remember vividly that it's was not genetic......

I have yet to find any anthropological studys which portray aboriginal peoples on any continent using intoxicants (including alcohol) for any purpose other than cerimonial and/or celebratory purposes. If you can find anything that shows them using drugs or alcohol for recreational uses that became habit forming prior to colonization, I'd like to see it.

 

[Jay]

Re: Assimilation of Immigrants

They never side stepped it Jay There just better at it just ask Henry

Sounds like a challenge.....

A contest we must have.

 

[Twila]

RE: Assimilation of Immig

I have yet to find any anthropological studys which portray aboriginal peoples on any continent using intoxicants (including alcohol) for any purpose other than cerimonial and/or celebratory purposes. If you can find anything that shows them using drugs or alcohol for recreational uses that became habit forming prior to colonization, I'd like to see it.

I hadn't mentioned the reason behind having intoxicants. Using them for ceremonial purposes does not exlude addiction.
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[mrmom2]

Re: Assimilation of Immigrants

I use them for cerimonial purpose's all the time
I can always find a reason to celebrate :wink:

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Assimilation of Immig

I hadn't mentioned the reason behind having intoxicants.

Maybe you should have mentioned that, I'm sure it was mentioned in the documentary you spoke of, did you forget?

Using them for ceremonial purposes does not exlude addiction.'

Maybe yes, maybe no, but I doubt hey had ceremonies just so they could get wasted. Either way, it's still just your opinion since i have yet to see any studies showing aboriginals using intoxicants on a daily basis, like addicts. But, I'm open to being wrong if there is a cited source involved.

 

[Jay]

RE: Assimilation of Immigrants

Would we call the Egyptians aboriginals? They were drinking beer.

 

[Twila]

Re: RE: Assimilation of Immig

Maybe you should have mentioned that, I'm sure it was mentioned in the documentary you spoke of, did you forget?

Are you on glue?

Maybe yes, maybe no, but I doubt hey had ceremonies just so they could get wasted. Either way, it's still just your opinion since i have yet to see any studies showing aboriginals using intoxicants on a daily basis, like addicts. But, I'm open to being wrong if there is a cited source involved.

It's my opinion that using an intoxicant for ceremonial purposes will keep you from being addicted? What?

If you can site me a source that states is using a substance for religious purposes or ceramonial purposes will keep you from becoming addicted then I'll believe you. but since it flies in the face of logic I highly doubt you'll find a reliable source....

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Assimilation of Immig

[quote="Twila]Are you on glue?[/quote]

No, are you?

It's my opinion that using an intoxicant for ceremonial purposes will keep you from being addicted? What?

I didn't say that did I? I said using intoxicants for cerimonial purposes does not equate addiction or habitual substance abuse. I think I was quite clear. I also said I'm open to beig wrong if you can find any studies showing substance abuse in aboriginal communities prior to colonization.

If you can site me a source that states is using a substance for religious purposes or ceramonial purposes will keep you from becoming addicted then I'll believe you. but since it flies in the face of logic I highly doubt you'll find a reliable source....

Still waiting for yours from a few posts up.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Assimilation of Immigrants

Would we call the Egyptians aboriginals? They were drinking beer.

Interesting. Do you think alcohol was restricted or limited to the rich? Egyptian society was also very different from traditional foraging and pastoral societies.

 

[Twila]

RE: Assimilation of Immig

No, are you?

I'm starting to think I very well might be.

Lets see where the logic all went awry.


I said this in regards to why the English didn't have the same problems with alcohol

With practice, I believe....the natives did in fact have intoxicants that they're able to handle and europeans were not. I watched a documentary that eluded to some facts about this. I do remember vividly that it was not genetic.....

To which you responded with:

I have yet to find any anthropological studys which portray aboriginal peoples on any continent using intoxicants (including alcohol) for any purpose other than cerimonial and/or celebratory purposes.

Since i hadn't made mention of the uses natives had for intoxicants I was exceedingly confused your statement (above) and said:

I hadn't mentioned the reason behind having intoxicants.

your entire quote continues here:

If you can find anything that shows them using drugs or alcohol for recreational uses that became habit forming prior to colonization, I'd like to see it..

So here is where it becomes a circular arguement (again). I never mentioned that Indians were alcoholics or drug addicts before Colonization. What I said was that the reason the English were able to handle the alcohol they brought with them was because they had practice. The documentary I watched had Indians partaking of their own brand of intoxicants and NOT becoming addicts because of PRACTICE with that item. Maybe I should have said familiarity with the product. Maybe then neither of us would be as confused about this.

So then we continue with you saying:

Maybe you should have mentioned that, I'm sure it was mentioned in the documentary you spoke of, did you forget?

Which makes absolutely no sense unless you were sitting here with me during the documentary.......Since I'm fairly certain you weren't.......unless your my dad (?) and because I made no mention of the title of the documentary I wondered if you were huffing.

 

[Derry McKinney]

Re: Assimilation of Immigrants

Interesting. Do you think alcohol was restricted or limited to the rich? Egyptian society was also very different from traditional foraging and pastoral societies.

The Egyptians gave beer out as part of the rations for workers on the Pyramids. It was also available to buy.

Beer was an important nutritional element in the Egyptian diet, just like in many other ancient societies, and helped to keep the people fed. Also, because water is boiled in the brewing process, it was often safer to drink than water.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Assimilation of Immig

No, are you?

I'm starting to think I very well might be.

Lets see where the logic all went awry.


I said this in regards to why the English didn't have the same problems with alcohol

With practice, I believe....the natives did in fact have intoxicants that they're able to handle and europeans were not. I watched a documentary that eluded to some facts about this. I do remember vividly that it was not genetic.....

To which you responded with:

I have yet to find any anthropological studys which portray aboriginal peoples on any continent using intoxicants (including alcohol) for any purpose other than cerimonial and/or celebratory purposes.

Since i hadn't made mention of the uses natives had for intoxicants I was exceedingly confused your statement (above) and said:

I hadn't mentioned the reason behind having intoxicants.

your entire quote continues here:

If you can find anything that shows them using drugs or alcohol for recreational uses that became habit forming prior to colonization, I'd like to see it..

So here is where it becomes a circular arguement (again). I never mentioned that Indians were alcoholics or drug addicts before Colonization. What I said was that the reason the English were able to handle the alcohol they brought with them was because they had practice. The documentary I watched had Indians partaking of their own brand of intoxicants and NOT becoming addicts because of PRACTICE with that item. Maybe I should have said familiarity with the product. Maybe then neither of us would be as confused about this.

So then we continue with you saying:

Maybe you should have mentioned that, I'm sure it was mentioned in the documentary you spoke of, did you forget

Which makes absolutely no sense unless you were sitting here with me during the documentary.......Since I'm fairly certain you weren't.......unless your my dad (?) and because I made no mention of the title of the documentary I wondered if you were huffing.

Are you for real? Anyway, again, sorry to confuse YOU, even though you had plenty of opportunity to provide details, or simply say you were not sure why aboriginals were using intoxicants and are not sure if they were addicted and used them for reasons that were other than cerimonial. At one point you even went on to say cerimonial use doesn't EXCLUDE addiction, I suppose you forgot to include that above, right?
I think another poster even asked you for details (Jay I believe), but you can't even offer any opinion as to why Euro alcohol may have had such negative habit forming affects which would have contributed greatly to the discussion (I think it was the sugar content personally) other than practice.

 

[Said1]

Re: Assimilation of Immigrants

Interesting. Do you think alcohol was restricted or limited to the rich? Egyptian society was also very different from traditional foraging and pastoral societies.

The Egyptians gave beer out as part of the rations for workers on the Pyramids. It was also available to buy.

Beer was an important nutritional element in the Egyptian diet, just like in many other ancient societies, and helped to keep the people fed. Also, because water is boiled in the brewing process, it was often safer to drink than water.

Interesting to say the least, although long after the politization process.

 

[Twila]

RE: Assimilation of Immig

Said1 How about if we just ignore each other from now on?

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Assimilation of Immig

Said1 How about if we just ignore each other from now on?

What?