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temperance

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Sep 27, 2006
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I always wonder

if they did a poll on the income levels of the people in Quebec that what to separate ? and compare that to the overall seperation question---

what would they find ?
 

jackd

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This will give you the answer.
Could not find anything in the other official language.
La première équation révèle la présence de trois clivages au sein de la clientèle péquiste. Les variables indépendantes significatives sont l'âge, le sexe et la langue : les individus âgés de plus de 55 ans, les femmes, les anglophones et les allophones ont un impact négatif sur le vote péquiste. La seconde équation montre quant à elle que l'ajout de variables régionales n'affaiblit en rien la signification statistique de ces trois clivages. A fortiori, ces nouvelles variables révèlent l'existence d'un quatrième clivage, de nature régionale, chez la clientèle péquiste : les habitants de l'ouest de Montréal, de la région de Québec, du centre du Québec et de l'Outaouais ont significativement moins tendance à appuyer le PQ que les habitants des autres régions. Enfin, les équations du tableau 1 incluent deux autres variables socio-économiques potentiellement porteuses d'un clivage, à savoir la scolarité et le revenu. Nos résultats montrent que, tout étant égal par ailleurs, l'éducation et le revenu n'ont pas d'effet significatif sur le comportement électoral des répondants.
 

temperance

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The translation
thank you J


The first equation reveals the presence of three cleavages within the customers pequist. The significant independent variables are the age, the sex and the language: the old individuals of more than 55 years, the women, the english-speaking and the allophones have a negative impact on the vote pequist. The second equation shows as for it that the addition of regional variables does not weaken of anything the statistical significance of these three cleavages. A fortiori, these new variables reveal the existence of the fourth cleavage, of regional nature, at the customers pequist: the inhabitants of the west of Montreal, of the area of Quebec, the center of Quebec and Outaouais significantly tend less to support the PQ that the inhabitants of the other areas. Lastly, the equations of table 1 include two other socio-economic variables potentially carrying a cleavage, namely the schooling and the income. Our results show that, all being equal in addition, education and the income do not have a significant effect on the electoral behavior of the guarantors.
 

CDNBear

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This will give you the answer.
Could not find anything in the other official language.
I would dissagree with that, I would say that in some of the out lying areas, more rural, then suburban and in some cases, not as well off as in the larger communities, the tendancies would be to lean towords seperation. Primarily because of the smaller influence of english speaking peoples and the expose to culture ceyond their own.

But I can see how perhaps, the opposite may be true, little exposure, could indicate to said group, that there is no problem with the incroachment of Non French peoples upon their culture. But with the advent of modern communications, I highly doubt that there is little lost on this group.

In my experience, rudeness in some more affluent French communities, translates into out right bigotry in non tourist, lower income, rural communities.
 

CDNBear

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The translation
thank you J


The first equation reveals the presence of three cleavages within the customers pequist. The significant independent variables are the age, the sex and the language: the old individuals of more than 55 years, the women, the english-speaking and the allophones have a negative impact on the vote pequist. The second equation shows as for it that the addition of regional variables does not weaken of anything the statistical significance of these three cleavages. A fortiori, these new variables reveal the existence of the fourth cleavage, of regional nature, at the customers pequist: the inhabitants of the west of Montreal, of the area of Quebec, the center of Quebec and Outaouais significantly tend less to support the PQ that the inhabitants of the other areas. Lastly, the equations of table 1 include two other socio-economic variables potentially carrying a cleavage, namely the schooling and the income. Our results show that, all being equal in addition, education and the income do not have a significant effect on the electoral behavior of the guarantors.
lol, now you translate it, after I give myself a headache doing it on my own, lol. Thanx anyways, much appreciated.
 

Doryman

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Nov 30, 2005
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I have a feeling that we'd be hearing body counts from Montreal on the CTV news,, so no I don't want Quebec to seperate.
 

westmanguy

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Feb 3, 2007
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Yeah. Our nation has spent too much $$ on Quebec too see them leave. So no, I don't think Quebec would leave, and the rest of the nation probably wouldn't let them.

Now, Alberta would have something to gain by leaving Canada. Its the new Gold-rush, modern-style.

$10 / hour to work part-time at McDonalds. wow.
 

nitzomoe

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Dec 31, 2004
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thats just inflationary pressure, cost of living makes it impossible to live off a full-time macdonalds salary. in fact thats a reason why many people who go to Alberta end up coming back
 

blugoo

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First off, Quebec, nor any other province should have the right to break up the country. Since it seems they would be permitted to do so under certain conditions, they should be forced to take with them their share of the debt, be given no special trade or diplomatic treatment not given other separate nations, and be given none of the benefits and privileges of being part of Canada. If you want to leave, off you go. Completely and totally.

That being said, if it happened....it would be the end of Canada. The Atlantic provinces, cut off from the rest of Canada, would probably have to join the US, as they wouldn't be viable as a nation unto themselves. (although I don't believe there is anything in the US Constitution automatically granting statehood to Canadian provinces)

The West and Ontario might hang on longer, but the pyschological blow of the country's initial breakup might convince the rest of the provinces that end is inevitable, and they need to get and keep as much for their own selves as they can before it all comes crashing down. This would lead to disputes over things like transfer payments and political power, further breaking down national unity into a sort of regional identity.

The US, seeing this chaos, might well believe the end is nigh for Canada, and believe the time has come for a largely united North American nation, to combat a rising China and EU. Discreet diplomatic signals might be sent, informing the remnant of Canada that it would be warmly welcomed into the Union, should it choose to do so. After much debate, the provinces of Alberta, BC, and Ontario decide that the economic and political advantages are too great to ignore, as well as the stability such a move bring. Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and the territories being too weak to exist as a nation themselves, would have no choice but to be swept along. An agreement would then be hammered out, bringing in those provinces as states, with a few changes, as PEI likely wouldn't qualify for statehood by itself.

Quebec, being surrounded on all sides, having little bargaining power, and dealing with an indifferent, uncompromising Washington, instead of an accomodating, eager-to-please Ottawa, would stubbornly carry on for a few years, until finally, deeply in debt and on the verge of collapse, it becomes the last former province to become part of the United States. No longer a sovereign nation. No longer having its whims catered to by a cowed federal government. No longer even being able to whisper of separation.

There's your outcome for Quebec separation. Kind of a sobering thought for the Quebec separatists, huh? :)
 

MikeyDB

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Maybe sobering for Quebec separatists but I've believed since the eighth grade that thirty million people living in a nation defined by a railroad and a rodent that lives in swamps probably doesn't have any right to expect to be long-lasting anyway...
 

MikeyDB

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Only a very few Americans would be stupid enough to want a bunch of Quebequois racist jerks as their fifty-first state. Many Americans are concerned with the "Hispanic problem" I doubt they'd be interested in embracing the "Quebequois problem"...

But hey if America wants Quebec...I say let them go....

Since America seems bound and determined to wage war all over the world, it won't be that long until all that fresh water and those buried minerals in Quebec are just too appealing... the cost of course will be putting up with people who are prepared to break their own laws (language laws) when it suits them...but hey isn't that very American at a spiritual level anyway...
 

MikeyDB

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Hey Les

If BC separates can I come camp on your back 40?

No loud music no internal combustion engines no wail for subsidized anything...just me and my cat...
 

s_lone

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Only a very few Americans would be stupid enough to want a bunch of Quebequois racist jerks as their fifty-first state. Many Americans are concerned with the "Hispanic problem" I doubt they'd be interested in embracing the "Quebequois problem"...

Wow... you certainly have a beautiful and thoughtful opinion of Quebec... There's as many racist jerks in Quebec then in any other place in Canada.

Many of you guys just naively jump onto this idea that Quebecers are racist eh?... I think it's just a shameful demonstration of your own prejudices against Quebec and its population.
 

hermanntrude

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i think i'm going to have to spend some time in quebec just to make some sense of this issue. seems to me that there's nothing to fight about
 

MikeyDB

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Wow... you certainly have a beautiful and thoughtful opinion of Quebec... There's as many racist jerks in Quebec then in any other place in Canada.

Many of you guys just naively jump onto this idea that Quebecers are racist eh?... I think it's just a shameful demonstration of your own prejudices against Quebec and its population.

Yes I'm prejudiced against stupidity for stupidities sake...

When you pass a law that's discriminatory...english sign law, you're right that isn't racist and I used the word incorrectly...thats stupid! To then turn around and spend money on policing a stupid policy in the first place adds to the stupidity.

Sorry but everytime I buy anying in Canada and see a label printed in French and English I'm reminded of how much this nation has spent and continues to spend to placate the Quebecers who go out of their way to draw distinctions between themselves and everyone else who doesn't speak French while practicing draconian law. I'd suggest you (people in Quebec who demand French on signs and labels ...only buy products that come with French labels.... Products produced and sold in Quebec for instance then the rest of Canada can dispense with this unnecessary and pointedly discriminatory practice.
 

s_lone

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Feb 16, 2005
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i think i'm going to have to spend some time in quebec just to make some sense of this issue. seems to me that there's nothing to fight about

For the racism issue, anybody living here for a while would quickly see that Quebec is pretty much like anywhere else in Canada.

That being said, there IS a big debate going on right now in Quebec as to how far we should go into accomodating the demands of religious minorities. ''Les accomodements raisonnables'' will very likely be an important issue of the next provincial elections. Quebecers give great importance to the seperation of state and religion and many are worried about some of accomodations being made. Perhaps this is perceived as some as traces of racism but it is an entirely different issue.

The bull**** poll made by the Journal de Montréal saying Quebecers are racist certainly didn't help improve the image of Quebec abroad...
 

MikeyDB

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That's the first time I've ever heard anyone claim that the Quebec regard the separation of church and state as an important issue. Given you're right, how does that separation of church and state idea get us any closer to having the Quebecquois understand that language shouldn't be a compelling argument in government either?
 

s_lone

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i could see that was a dumb poll, reported in a dumb way.

The poll did reveal something quite interesting however... The poll asked questions on blacks, asians, jews, italians, etc. But not once did it even refer to Natives... I think that speaks of a very deeply rooted problem concerning the Native issues. If Quebec is racist, I would say that it is most racist towards Natives in the sense that we forget much too easily their reality.

But the Native issue is common to all of Canada, not only Quebec.
 
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s_lone

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That's the first time I've ever heard anyone claim that the Quebec regard the separation of church and state as an important issue. Given you're right, how does that separation of church and state idea get us any closer to having the Quebecquois understand that language shouldn't be a compelling argument in government either?

I'm not quite sure I get the meaning of your question... Language and religion are two different things...