How will a Conservative government be better?

[bluealberta]

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Gays,natives, muslims, Africans...The CPC hates pretty much everybody except for white Christians. Now some boob will pop up and point to how diverse their caucus is. The thing is that the minorities in their caucus are there because they hate somebody else.

What I can't figure out is where they find time for so much hatred. Most of us are way to busy for that.

That is some of the biggest bunch of bull crap yet. If the Conservatives were so hateful, the party would not sign their nomination papers allowing them to even run. Your response to the expecte response is silly. Actually, we don't have any time for hatred, too busy trying to get this country back on track to hate anything or anyone. Hate is such a dirty word.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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I guess we know who "some boob" is now.

 

[bluealberta]

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I guess we know who "some boob" is now.

Yeah, you really should quit looking in the mirror. You want to put out stuff like that you should expect a response.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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I really expected that you'd leave it for somebody else to walk into, Blue. You never cease to disappoint me.

 

[bluealberta]

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I really expected that you'd leave it for somebody else to walk into, Blue. You never cease to disappoint me.

Actually, I think maybe the rest of the right wingers have tired of your stuff and have left. Glad I could help you out on a Friday night though.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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I think maybe the rest of the right-wingers have been watching Harper's antics and are too ashamed to show their faces.

 

[Knightman]

So when someone asks which one of the parties would you vote for in the next federal election? I have to ask, WHY do I need to? I did that already here.......

Sure, that's all well and good for those of us who have the good fortune to have NDP governments, but what about those poor, oppressed bastards to your west, Knight?

Maybe we should just elect the NDP federally and make the entire country a better place.

No because that would cause Alberta to seperate not much hope of them wanting NDP and why exactly should we push the on them, ohhh sheesh, I forgot we kinda do that now, it's called a federal government.

I think that is one of the issues Quebec has, if I remember correctly.......

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Alberta will elect an NDP government in the next couple of decades, Knight. It's inevitable...as a population grows, especially with immigration from other places, the demographic shifts to the left. Throw in problems like over-priced housing, unreasonable auto insurance, and the growing wealth in Saskatchewan that shows NDP governments to be fiscally superior to Conservative ones (I'm sure you know all about that though), and you'll see the red necks lose control of Alberta.

 

[Knightman]

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This is one amazing thread you folks have going here.

If one stands back and looks hard at the real issues being discussed. What are they?

National support programs and the cost.

The division and handing out of incoming tax dollars back out to the provinces for their own programs, disaster relief and transfer payments to name a few.

But most obviously is the fact that the provinces are required to beg Ottawa for basically their own money back to support the provincial populations. The current federal government has no populaton to support in actual fact. Our age old government system simply has it set up that way. The federal government is supposed to be there to deal with foriegn affairs, immigration, the military, a national police force possibly. mabey a few other issues but everything else they control are internal issues. There is part of the problem.

The other part of the problem is that the provinces have an elected government in place already that is ruled by any given political party. Why exactly do we go to the trouble of electing yet another partisan based government on top of the provinces that can only be a compromise at best to what the wishes are provincialy.

A conservitive goverment may be wonderful for Alberta, the Bloc may be wonderful for Quebec, the NDP may be great for Saskatchewan, the council style governments say in Nunavut are just fine for that area. WHY? do we need to compromise on what has proven to be an ineffectual government at the federal level?

So when someone asks which one of the parties would you vote for in the next federal election? I have to ask, WHY do I need to? I did that already here.......

You are absolutely right, sir Knight. We are basically being bought off and bribed with our own money, and Martin is certainly doing that the last three weeks. All of a sudden things that were promissed 12 years ago are high priorities. Why? Because there is a real possibility that the Liberals (hi, rev) won't get elected again.

I like your idea that provinces have already voted for a local government, per se, and that a federal government should maybe be made up of equal representatives from each province. Did I get the basic idea of what you were talking about?

Anyway, the thread was about how will a conservative government be better, and way back when, I posted a bunch of things I thought would be better, but the basic premise comes down to a Conservative government was fiscally responsible social programs with money going to those most in need. The Conservatives believe in less government, not more. A conservative government believes that the individual knows better how to spend their money, and where, than does a federal government. That is what I believe a conservative government will do. Basically, more conservatives, less government. More liberals, more government. I prefer less government and more personal choice, myself.

For the most part you get no argument from me about fiscal mismanagment , favourtism, and the woes of big government, that is what got me going on this entire idea in the first place. Then I took a long read into our political history as I am sure many of you have and discovered the truth about the longer our governments are in power the worse things seem to get nationaly and the more the provinces complain. I really do not care which party is elected in our next national election, I do not care who the Prime minister is. I only care that whoever they are they do a good job for Canada and its population. That means serve the people not the party.

Can the Conservitive party do that? I do not know, They say they can. Can the Liberal party do that? We do not think so any more and I voted for them last time around (sorry). Can the NDP actually make a strong and balanced federal government , That is a tough call, they have never had the opportunity to actually govern in the last forty years. The Bloc can't even make a federal government because they only run in Quebec the best they can hope for is all the seats for the province.

I hope your correct for Canada's sake........

 

[Reverend Blair]

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The evidence is that the Conservatives will likely be worse than the Liberals are, Knight. That is going by the last time they were in power, the things they have said while in opposition, and the failure of neo-conservative policies all over the world.

I'm not saying the Liberals are wonderful. I would never recommend that anybody vote for them. There are several alternatives on the left, right and centre though. If you want change...real change...then find one of those parties and vote for it.

The Liberals and Conservatives haven't changed anything in this country since the age of Mulroney because they benefit by keeping things the same. The new rules that give parties who get more than 5% of the vote money have given us an opportunity to get rid of the present parties.

 

[Knightman]

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Alberta will elect an NDP government in the next couple of decades, Knight. It's inevitable...as a population grows, especially with immigration from other places, the demographic shifts to the left. Throw in problems like over-priced housing, unreasonable auto insurance, and the growing wealth in Saskatchewan that shows NDP governments to be fiscally superior to Conservative ones (I'm sure you know all about that though), and you'll see the red necks lose control of Alberta.

That may be all quite true, and if it goes the way your suggesting then so be it. But, its a provincial issue and a provincial question . No system or sets of policies are perfect, We all know that, but edging towards an acceptable standard should be the goal and that can only be accomplished by doing the best for the people in a region, not chasing the party agenda. Ralph and the boys seem to be on a roll right now but your correct, that may change.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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What is an acceptable standard though? My standards have more to do with looking after society's weakest members. The Conservatives, by their rhetoric and their policies, do not consider that a standard but a weakness.

A large part of Canada's national identity is in looking after those who need to be looked after. People accuse us of defining ourselves by social programs, but the reality is that those programs are a result, not a definition, of our national identity.

That will be severely undermined if the provinces are allowed to each go their own way. More importantly, a lot of people will suffer because of it. I don't mean by having to settle for a chevy instead of a caddy either...I mean go hungry, get sick and die, not get an education kind of suffer.

 

[no1important]

Harper will do whats best for himself and his neocon business buddies and to hell with the rest of us who think various social programs are necessary.

I for one do not mind my tax dollars going to support Health care, day care, welfare, school lunches, senior programs, veteran programs etc. Those programs are needed. All Harper would accomplish is to create more poverty and more people living on the street.

Personally I do not care if we go into debt or run a deficit here and there to keep the social programs going. I want my tax dollars for social programs, not to support big business and corporations with unnecessary tax cuts and breaks.

 

[bluealberta]

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Harper will do whats best for himself and his neocon business buddies and to hell with the rest of us who think various social programs are necessary.

I for one do not mind my tax dollars going to support Health care, day care, welfare, school lunches, senior programs, veteran programs etc. Those programs are needed. All Harper would accomplish is to create more poverty and more people living on the street.

Personally I do not care if we go into debt or run a deficit here and there to keep the social programs going. I want my tax dollars for social programs, not to support big business and corporations with unnecessary tax cuts and breaks.

These comments are exactly what scares the hell out of me. The last paragraph is particularly telling. Deficit financing is not acceptable for any reason, other than perhaps a world wide war. Deficit financing for social programs is a recipe for disaster. Fiscally responsible social programs like the conservatives propose is viable and desirable.

 

[bluealberta]

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Alberta will elect an NDP government in the next couple of decades, Knight. It's inevitable...as a population grows, especially with immigration from other places, the demographic shifts to the left. Throw in problems like over-priced housing, unreasonable auto insurance, and the growing wealth in Saskatchewan that shows NDP governments to be fiscally superior to Conservative ones (I'm sure you know all about that though), and you'll see the red necks lose control of Alberta.

Dream on, Rev, dream on. The NDP are so far off the political map in Alberta outside of some areas of Edmonton, you need radar to find them. Their tax and spend philosphy will never fly in Alberta. Even Decore as Liberal leader, who may was probably fiscally and socially right wing could not win, and that was against your buddy Ralphie.

When you say overpriced housing, who are you comparing it to? BC is much higher, Ontario, especially the Golden Triangle is much higher, Quebec in higher. Sask is lower because people are leaving Sask. I don't know about Manitoba. Unreasonable insurance? I insure two vehicles, one four years old and one two years old, one over $40k in price, with full coverage and low deductible with a teenage driver for just about $1200 per year. I checked with Sask public insurance, it was higher. BC is higher. I will grant you Sask will be a have province next year. But as long as people outside Alberta keep making bigotted statements about Alberta like you do, things will not change in Alberta for many decades, not two. Your and my kids will be old and grey when that happens.

 

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[mrmom2]

:lol: :lol: :lol: I'll buy the Yugo 8)

 

[no1important]

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These comments are exactly what scares the hell out of me. The last paragraph is particularly telling. Deficit financing is not acceptable for any reason, other than perhaps a world wide war. Deficit financing for social programs is a recipe for disaster. Fiscally responsible social programs like the conservatives propose is viable and desirable.

Whats wrong with showing some basic human rights.

What is money anways? Just a tool for the few to control the rest of us. Nothing wrong if a government now and then has to run a defeciet, so what? Its not a big deal. The earth will not implode.

 

[mrmom2]

I agree no1 Just look at the US Those guys have no intension of paying their debt :lol:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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What is money anways? Just a tool for the few to control the rest of us. Nothing wrong if a government now and then has to run a defeciet, so what? Its not a big deal. The earth will not implode.

Yeah blue, look at your pal Dubya...he's running the largest deficit in the history of humanity to fund his social programs...

...of course here we call those programs: genocide, DU enhanced eugenics and a bible for everyone to replace thier perverse science textbooks...