How will a Conservative government be better?

[Reverend Blair]

RE: How will a Conservati

It ain't namecalling if it's true, sweetie.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: How will a Conservati

What opinions have you changed Blue? You're against SSM, against Kyoto, deny the science behind climate changem against increased money for education, against child care.

No, I am not against SS unions, but I happen to believe in the tradional definition of marriage. The rights and benefits of same sex unions already exist and are no different that those of tradional marriages. I have moved to this position from being against SS unions some years ago because I do think that the same rights and benefits should accrue to SS unions. I just happen to believe in the tradional definition of the term marriage and would like it to remain as a marriage between a man and a woman.

What are you for? Tax cuts and pollution? Oh and a strong military so our military can serve as cannon fodder for US imperialist adventures.

Tax cuts, absolutely, we are one of the most overtaxes countries in the world. Of course I'm not for pollution, I come from the soil and probably have as much respect for it as anyone. Kyoto has not been proven to be correct. Twenty years ago, we were being warned of a new ice age and global cooling. Kyoto is simply a wealth transfer scheme and will cost this country billions without any benefits, ultimately costing it's citizens, especially the lower income citizens. Your military comment is totally silly. A nation that cannot defend itself can never be totally soverign. Even if we wanted to be so-called peacekeepers, we need upgraded equipment, more forces, etc.

Have you addressed the fact that Harper has been flip-flopping like encephalatic bunny? Hve you addressed the fact that his backers are against women having control of their own bodies? Have you even considered the fact that he has no foreign policy beyond doing whatever the GOP tells him to?

Harper has been coming more to the center, and yet you still don't like it. The abortion policy for the conservatives is nothing different than the current status quo in the country, so are you saying that the current policy is no good? In that case, blame the Liberals, it's their policy. Regarding foreign policy, our current policy is to wait until the UN decides what we should do, and then do it. Given a choice, I would prefer to align myself with the US, instead of an organization that puts Libya in charge of the human rights commission.

So what have you changed your mind on? You haven't even smartened up enough to realize that being anti-Bush isn't being anti-American. You lack the political sophistication comprehend that the NDP is very different party than Paul Martin's Liberals...something that is painfully obvious to even a casual news watcher.

Actually, Rev, I fully understand that being anti-Bush is not the same, but you haven't. Your comments about the US are about the entire US, not the president. The NDP is simply LIberal on drugs, and you should realize this above all.

In the end, just like all the other conservatives since the Mulroney/Thatcher/Reagan Mulroney triumvirate of the eighties, you have no facts to argue. All you can do is scream about scandal and tax cuts.

That's just bogus, and you know it, but won't look further than your nose to realize it. Any facts that are brought up, you just call lies and wrong. Anything not fitting within your very narrow vew has to be wrong, because you simply cannot understand it.

In the end the neo-conservative creedo is less valid than that of the anarchists. At least anarchists recognize the need for people to look after one another. All the conservatives want to do is rob the weakest members of our society. It's the same mentality as that of the miscreant yuppie freaks who set homeless people on fire just because they can.

That is one of the stupidest things you have said, and that I have heard in a long time. The left is always talking about "Extreme Right Wing", well, your comments just defined the Extreme Intolerant Left Wing.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: How will a Conservati

It ain't namecalling if it's true, sweetie.

Speaking of ignorant. My mother still thinks you are hilarious, though, despite your obvious faults.

 

[MMMike]

Boy, it's a regular love-in here tonight isn't it? :love3:

 

[bluealberta]

Boy, it's a regular love-in here tonight isn't it? :love3:

Sorry, MMMike, I just get really tired of the left having the arrogance to think, and believe, that they alone have all the answers, and anyone who disagrees with them shouldn't be allowed to hold any different opinions. I really enjoy a dialogue with others who will at least have an open mind, and for the most part, I try and do the same. I think this is evidenced by posts I have made between myself and some others on this site. There have been some interesting dialogues, which I really enjoy, but I really get tired of the continual degradation the extreme left has when it comes to the right wing. So, sorry if I offended you or anyone else, it was just the frustration coming out. I really do appreciate your thoughts, though, and would like to see more.

 

[MMMike]

Blue! :notworthy:

Rev, you're losing it!! Now conservatives are setting homeless people on fire?????? Please refer to the Acceptable Usage Policy

If you cannot debate the issues without drive-by smears, take a breather, rest up a little.... Have a :beer: - it is Saturday.

 

[Reverend Blair]

No, I am not against SS unions, but I happen to believe in the tradional definition of marriage.

You mean that black people shouldn't marry white people? What about Jews marrying Christians? Draw your line of bigotry in the sand.

Tax cuts, absolutely, we are one of the most overtaxes countries in the world.

Compared to who? The US? They have no social programs to support and are so deeply in debt that they are endangering the entire world economy.

Of course I'm not for pollution, I come from the soil and probably have as much respect for it as anyone.

I don't care where you come from, I just care that you are trying to drag us down with you.

Kyoto has not been proven to be correct. Twenty years ago, we were being warned of a new ice age and global cooling. Kyoto is simply a wealth transfer scheme and will cost this country billions without any benefits, ultimately costing it's citizens, especially the lower income citizens.

Go to the Kyoto thread and read the science. There are plenty of links there. I'll be happy to provide plenty more. Canada stands to profit tremendously, at home and abroad, from alternative and efficient technologies and will benefit the citizens of Canada as a result. Willful ignorance is an ugly thing. Knowledge is the cure. Get some.

Your military comment is totally silly. A nation that cannot defend itself can never be totally soverign. Even if we wanted to be so-called peacekeepers, we need upgraded equipment, more forces, etc.

Who said we didn't? Not me. Not the NDP. Harper's plan is to make us compatible with the US military. Why would we do that? Why wouldn't we seek out the systems that are most compatible with the United Nations other peacekeeping nations? You have a problem with that? Then you can volunteer for the next Iraq.

The abortion policy for the conservatives is nothing different than the current status quo in the country, so are you saying that the current policy is no good?

Actually the Conservatives voted at their convention not to challenge the status quo. That is far different than agreeing with the status quo. Not only that, but almost immediately there was a movement begun within the party to change that stance.

Regarding foreign policy, our current policy is to wait until the UN decides what we should do, and then do it. Given a choice, I would prefer to align myself with the US, instead of an organization that puts Libya in charge of the human rights commission

If you knew anything about the United Nations, you'd know that changing the human right committee is high on the list of reforms that Kofi Annan has recommended. If you were following things, you'd know that the US is the country most opposing the reforms.

Your interpretation of our foreign policy is not only wrong, but it has no vision beyond our southern border. it is this kind of purposefully ignorant myopia that makes the Conservative party so unpalatable to so many.

Actually, Rev, I fully understand that being anti-Bush is not the same, but you haven't.

Funny, if you took the time to go back through my posts, here or anywhere else, you'd find that you are wrong. I know that's a lot of work, but if you want to claim to know somebody's mind then you'd bloody well read what he's written.

The NDP is simply LIberal on drugs, and you should realize this above all.

You should do some learning. I know some people that teach reading to adults. If you want, I can get them in touch with you.

Any facts that are brought up, you just call lies and wrong. Anything not fitting within your very narrow vew has to be wrong, because you simply cannot understand it.

Except that I present reasoned arguments. You don't, you just bellow about corruption and Stevie's cool haircut.

now go beat up a homeless man. I understand that's a leading sport amongst your ilk.

 

[MMMike]

now go beat up a homeless man. I understand that's a leading sport amongst your ilk.

Thanks for contributing to the conversation, Rev. dink

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: How will a Conservati

What's the MMMikey...afraid the homeless man might hit back?

 

[bluealberta]

now go beat up a homeless man. I understand that's a leading sport amongst your ilk.

Thanks for contributing to the conversation, Rev. dink

Actually, MMMike, it's typical. The left wing takes the flock shoot approach when talking about the right, and put up so many lies, false innuendos, unsubstantiated statements, etc. that they hope some of it sticks to those who cannot think for themselves and look beyond government for answers. The Rev is a typical example, just more blantant than most. Once you start making reasoned arguments or try to have a reasoned discussion, then the insults and sterotypes come out. Rev asked me if I disagreed with opposite race marriage when discussing SSM. I don't know how that leap was taken. All I said was I believed in the tradional definition of marriage as a marriage between a man and a woman, nothing about opposite race or color, yet the Rev makes the ridiculous comment that he made. Then, instead of talking about what you do believe in, you are forced to defend a falsehood. This was exactly the approach the Liberals took last year in the election, and no doubt will take it again as long as there are folks like Rev out there who will buy it. Of course, if you don't defend yourself against the falsehood, then they assume you advocate whatever the falsehood was (in this case opposite race marriage), so you can't win. As far as homelessness and beating, well, that comment belongs in the sewer, and I don't like sewers, so we'll not even try to defend that asinine statement. Thanks again, MMMike, loved the Emoticon!

 

[Jo Canadian]

I'm Thinking Everybody's getting a bit hot under the collar tonight, These are to help yous lighten up. There should be something here for everybody, so have another... :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

 

[bluealberta]

Thanks, they were great.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The left wing takes the flock shoot approach when talking about the right, and put up so many lies, false innuendos, unsubstantiated statements, etc. that they hope some of it sticks to those who cannot think for themselves and look beyond government for answers.

Have you read the crap that spews from the right? Cut taxes and pass the ammunition, we'll kill liberals for a dollar. Jesus H. Christ, to borrow the name of your god, what the hell is wrong with you people?

Rev asked me if I disagreed with opposite race marriage when discussing SSM. I don't know how that leap was taken.

it's not a leap, it's the same bigotted piece of crap argument you people have been making all along. Just because it makes you unconfortable to be called on your prejudices doesn't mean that you aren't prejudiced. What it does mean is that you know you should be ashamed.


Carfeful Blue...you might get beat up by the homeless and the homos all at once.

 

[bluealberta]

The left wing takes the flock shoot approach when talking about the right, and put up so many lies, false innuendos, unsubstantiated statements, etc. that they hope some of it sticks to those who cannot think for themselves and look beyond government for answers.

Have you read the crap that spews from the right? Cut taxes and pass the ammunition, we'll kill liberals for a dollar. Jesus H. Christ, to borrow the name of your god, what the hell is wrong with you people?

Rev asked me if I disagreed with opposite race marriage when discussing SSM. I don't know how that leap was taken.

it's not a leap, it's the same bigotted piece of crap argument you people have been making all along. Just because it makes you unconfortable to be called on your prejudices doesn't mean that you aren't prejudiced. What it does mean is that you know you should be ashamed.


Carfeful Blue...you might get beat up by the homeless and the homos all at once.

YOu just made my point about the flock shoot approach perfectly. SSM and opposite race marriage have nothing to do with this discussion. Let's make it clear: I have no opposition to opposite race marriages, some of my best friends come from opposite race marriages, and yes, I like their parents too. I also have no problem with SS unions, but I would like to keep the traditional definition of marriage as that between a man and a woman, race being a non-factor. I don't know how more clear I can be, and if you think this is the sign of a bigot, then that is your problem. Your last comment is beneath contempt AGAIN.

 

[Reverend Blair]

It might be beneath contempt, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. You keep spewing off like you do and you'll be telling your rednecked buddies, "Shoulda seen the other guy," while your testicles crawl up into your pelvic cavity in fear that they'll learn the truth.

SSM and opposite race marriage have nothing to do with this discussion.

They have everything to do with it. Have a look at history. The history of bigotry.

I have no opposition to opposite race marriages, some of my best friends come from opposite race marriages, and yes, I like their parents too. I also have no problem with SS unions, but I would like to keep the traditional definition of marriage as that between a man and a woman,

So just toss them old colours in there. (***warning this is going to be a little ugly***)Black and white is okay. Why not? some of those black chicks are dandy, after all. Yellow and red okay? Maybe...the chinks and the niches...er...asians and natives kind of look similar anyway. As long as it's blue and pink, what the hell?

Blue and blue is wrong though. Two positives can only make a negative. How about pink and pink? Okay to watch in a porn movie, but you don't want them getting married? Two negatives make a positive, after all.

You have a problem recognizing equality, Blue. To you it's something that you can grant to people. To me me it's something people are owed.

 

[damngrumpy]

When will the general public understand, an election is not about policies or ideas, and election is not even about democracy really, it is nothing more than a civil war without guns.
Political agendas no longer lend themselves to compromise or discussion, even open debate for that matter. The average Canadian no longer follows the business of the country, they are too busy watching reality television, and even there reality is scripted.
This country needs politicians who are not affraid to speak their mind and citizens who are not shocked ever time they hear something they don't like.
We need people who can lead and we need voters to grow up. Every time something happens people are shocked about this and that.
The Conservatives will not get to run this country for a long long time, especially with Harper running the Tory show.
I have watched the political game for many years, in fact I myself once ran Federally, and from what I see, the Liberals will still win at least a minority. That is hard to say as I am not a Liberal, but its true, the NDP will make gains and the Tories? If they bring down the government now they will suffer as Canadians do not want an election.
Even more so, they are not prepared to trust the Conservatives with majority power.
The major issues, the Reform crowd is not trusted in eastern Canada, including Ontario. The social conservative agenda is not mainstream enough for most Canadians, and the Religious crowd is a set back for the conservative right wing.
If the Tories push an election they could end up in third place when its all over.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: How will a Conservati

You could likely drink some beer at my house, grumpy.

 

[bluealberta]

It might be beneath contempt, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. You keep spewing off like you do and you'll be telling your rednecked buddies, "Shoulda seen the other guy," while your testicles crawl up into your pelvic cavity in fear that they'll learn the truth.

SSM and opposite race marriage have nothing to do with this discussion.

They have everything to do with it. Have a look at history. The history of bigotry.

I have no opposition to opposite race marriages, some of my best friends come from opposite race marriages, and yes, I like their parents too. I also have no problem with SS unions, but I would like to keep the traditional definition of marriage as that between a man and a woman,

So just toss them old colours in there. (***warning this is going to be a little ugly***)Black and white is okay. Why not? some of those black chicks are dandy, after all. Yellow and red okay? Maybe...the chinks and the niches...er...asians and natives kind of look similar anyway. As long as it's blue and pink, what the hell?

Blue and blue is wrong though. Two positives can only make a negative. How about pink and pink? Okay to watch in a porn movie, but you don't want them getting married? Two negatives make a positive, after all.

You have a problem recognizing equality, Blue. To you it's something that you can grant to people. To me me it's something people are owed.

You are one sick dude. Get some help. If you actually read what I wrote, then you know what I said. Opposing opposite race marriage between a man and a woman, irrespective of color, is bigortry. Wanting to maintain the tradional definition of marriage as the union between a man and a woman is not bigotry. Not opposing same sex unions is not bigotry. Not providing the same benefits to a SS union as a tradional marriage is a form of discrimination, but not bigotry. I support SS unions, I support same benefits. You opposing and denigrating Alberta and right wingers all the time is bigotry.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: How will a Conservati

It is exactly the same thing, Blue. When people were trying to make interracial marriages illegal, they used the exact same argument. They claimed that they weren't being bigoted, just protecting their traditions.

Your traditions have been found to be unconstitutional by courts in 8 (soon to be 9) jurisdictions in Canada. You might as well get used to the fact that SSM is now a part of life in Canada.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: How will a Conservati

It is exactly the same thing, Blue. When people were trying to make interracial marriages illegal, they used the exact same argument. They claimed that they weren't being bigoted, just protecting their traditions.

Your traditions have been found to be unconstitutional by courts in 8 (soon to be 9) jurisdictions in Canada. You might as well get used to the fact that SSM is now a part of life in Canada.

Sorry, Rev, cannot agree. Different sexual orientations are not the same as different races. The courts have also not said it was unconsitutional, but they did say the government MAY include SS in marriage, not that they HAVE to. According to the polls, most Canadians seem to have the same viewpoint I have, and wish to protect the definition of tradional marriage, without denying rights or benefits. So, to say it is a done deal may be a bit premature at this point.