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How will a Conservative government be better?
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Oops... That didn't come out quite like I meant it. 8O
If all else fails, go for humour, that's my motto.
But you have to admit, some thingies are pretty amusing. :lol:
Ahem.....back to the topic?
To see how a conservative government wil be better, let's take a look back at the Liberals since 1993. Keep in mind, though, that the Liberals have been in power for over 50 years of the past 75:
Promise to kill the GST. Promise broken.
Promise to kill NAFTA. Promise broken.
Promise to clean up corruption. Promise broken.
Promise to end separatism threats. Promise broken.
Promise to be fiscally responsible. Promise broken.
Praising the military and its members while cutting the military funding.
HRDC Billion Dollar Boondoggle.
Gun registry cost overruns from $2million to $2billion.
Secret Foundation accounts with no accountability.
EI surplus of $46billion created on the backs of workers and business' of every size in Canada.
600,000 immigrants whose whereabouts are unknown.
Saying the US was responsible for 9-11.
Not supporting the US in any manner in their response to 9-11.
No action on BSE crisis.
No action on Softwood lumber crisis.
Purposely alienating our largest trading partner. (See BSE and Softwood lumber)
Lying about conservative "hidden agenda" with no facts to back it up.
Lying about conservatives "agenda" to totally privatize health care, again with no facts.
Accusing residents of Prince George BC of burning crosses on their lawns.
Lying when saying the conservatives will outlaw homosexuality.
Accusing Alberta of being "the dark side"
Allegations by liberal party staffers of stacking the judiciary with liberal friendly lawyers who worked for the Liberals during election campaigns.
Using illegal and laundered taxpayers money to fund Liberal election programs.
Alienating the West.
Spending money currently that has not been approved or debated in the House.
Cancelling opposition days in the House.
Using closure too many times to mention.
Using racist remarks with no facts. (See Joe Volpe).
Pretending that the Liberals are the victims in Adscam ?!!?
Increasing CPP contributions while hiding behind the curtain of tax decreases.
I am sure there are many more instances of Liberal incompetence over the last 12 years. This election is not about what the conservatives may or may not have done during one of their infrequent times in power over the last several decades. This election will be about the record of the Liberal party since 1993, and more specifically, about the now founded accusations of kickbacks, preferential treatment, judicial tampering, and money laundering tactics. It will be about the misuse and mismanagement of the finances of the country.
The conservative party will be better because they can first of all be no worse, and secondly, will put into place fiscally responsible social programs, and will bring Canada back to a position of respectability on the world stage, unlike the current reputation we have, which is comparable to a third world dicatatorship like Uganda under Amin and Zimbabwe under Mugabe. Truly, the Canadian government led by this Liberal party are no better than either of the aforementioned individuals.
To see how a conservative government wil be better, let's take a look back at the Liberals since 1993. Keep in mind, though, that the Liberals have been in power for over 50 years of the past 75:
Promise to kill the GST. Promise broken.
Promise to kill NAFTA. Promise broken.
Promise to clean up corruption. Promise broken.
Promise to end separatism threats. Promise broken.
Promise to be fiscally responsible. Promise broken.
Praising the military and its members while cutting the military funding.
HRDC Billion Dollar Boondoggle.
Gun registry cost overruns from $2million to $2billion.
Secret Foundation accounts with no accountability.
EI surplus of $46billion created on the backs of workers and business' of every size in Canada.
600,000 immigrants whose whereabouts are unknown.
Saying the US was responsible for 9-11.
Not supporting the US in any manner in their response to 9-11.
No action on BSE crisis.
No action on Softwood lumber crisis.
Purposely alienating our largest trading partner. (See BSE and Softwood lumber)
Lying about conservative "hidden agenda" with no facts to back it up.
Lying about conservatives "agenda" to totally privatize health care, again with no facts.
Accusing residents of Prince George BC of burning crosses on their lawns.
Lying when saying the conservatives will outlaw homosexuality.
Accusing Alberta of being "the dark side"
Allegations by liberal party staffers of stacking the judiciary with liberal friendly lawyers who worked for the Liberals during election campaigns.
Using illegal and laundered taxpayers money to fund Liberal election programs.
Alienating the West.
Spending money currently that has not been approved or debated in the House.
Cancelling opposition days in the House.
Using closure too many times to mention.
Using racist remarks with no facts. (See Joe Volpe).
Pretending that the Liberals are the victims in Adscam ?!!?
Increasing CPP contributions while hiding behind the curtain of tax decreases.
I am sure there are many more instances of Liberal incompetence over the last 12 years. This election is not about what the conservatives may or may not have done during one of their infrequent times in power over the last several decades. This election will be about the record of the Liberal party since 1993, and more specifically, about the now founded accusations of kickbacks, preferential treatment, judicial tampering, and money laundering tactics. It will be about the misuse and mismanagement of the finances of the country.
The conservative party will be better because they can first of all be no worse, and secondly, will put into place fiscally responsible social programs, and will bring Canada back to a position of respectability on the world stage, unlike the current reputation we have, which is comparable to a third world dicatatorship like Uganda under Amin and Zimbabwe under Mugabe. Truly, the Canadian government led by this Liberal party are no better than either of the aforementioned individuals.
RE: How will a Conservati
Please elaborate. I recall we sent troops to Afghanistan.
Like what? Trade retaliations? Every governing body has backed us, but the US will not comply.
Please elaborate. I recall we sent troops to Afghanistan.
Like what? Trade retaliations? Every governing body has backed us, but the US will not comply.
Reverend Blair said:
I expect the government to get it right 100% of the times. The programs in question were big and there was a lot of money wasted.
When Canadians elected a government, they aren't expecting good government only 70, 80, or 90% of the time. Anything less than 100% is unacceptable.
I understand sometimes costs over run, that is life, but the extent and vastness of it in the government is ridiculous. At some point, people have to draw the line.
You seem to support the NDP and Liberals without any hesitation. I want to know where you would draw the line? How much mismanaged money would be enough for you? How much corruption is enough for you?
A Conservative plan which you've said you support.
A Conservative plan which you've said you support.
I have yet to see a single suggestion from Harper on how he would clean up corruption.
Harper has no plan for this either.
Eight balanced budgets in a row. Debt paid down.
They were using the money to pay off Conservative debt.
Conservatives would not expand the EI program with the surplus.
Not exactly what happened. Provide the quotes....full and in context.
We took all of their planes. We've tightened up security a massive amount. We've got that rights-raping anti-terrorism law. We sent troops to Afghanistan.
Do you live in a vacuum? They have paid money to beef producers. They have been in constant talks with the US. The border would have been opened except for the ruling of one Montana judge.
They've won in front of several trade panels. The Americans have ignored the rulings. We have introduced sanctions. Would the Conservatives link energy to other trade matters, Blue? That's about the only thing the Liberals haven't done.
How? By refusing to join the illegal war in Iraq?
Bullshit. Name a part of the hidden agenda and evidence will be provided. The truth is that you voted much of that hidden agenda into being official policy at your convention. Things that you didn't official, like abortion, have been creeping back onto the agenda as your MPs flock to the special interest groups for money and votes.
Yeah, because Klein and Manning have no connection to the Conservatives at all. Neither does the Fraser institute. :roll:
The Liberals have never that. Some of your MPs have though. Don't blame others for things Randy White says.
When did they do that?
Allegations. Now prove it.
Allegations. For some reason you are terrified of waiting for the judges report on what the allegations actually mean.
Alberta is not the west.
Your leader has quietly endorsed this spending, saying that he would make good on the agreements. Does that mean Harper goes both ways?
They haven't been cancelled, they've been postponed.
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Not accurate at all. Provide quotes...in context.
CPP is a pension plan, not a tax. Guess what? The costs of private plans have risen too.
You might try talking to whoever wrote the talking points memo you got this crap from and suggesting that they do a far better job.
bluealberta said:
Here is a break down of the changes over the coarse of the last 37 years approximatly or 432 months of federal governments.
Liberal government. The liberals held power under Trudeau for 133 months
Pierre Trudeau the fifteenth Prime minister of Canada from April 20th 1968 to june 3rd 1979
Robert Lorne Stanfield Leader of the Progressive Conservitive Party from 1967-1976
Conservitive Government. The Conservitives held office under Clark for 9 months
Joe Clark the sixteenth Prime minister of Canada from June 4th 1979 to March 2nd 1980
Joe Clark as Leader of the Progressive Conservitive Party from 1976-1983 and 1998-2003
Liberal Government. The liberals held power under Trudeau for 40 months
Pierre Trudeau the fifteenth Prime minister of Canada from March 3rd 1980 to June 30 1984
Conservitive Government. The Conservitives took power under several leaders for 113 months
John Turner seventeenth Prime minister of Canada from June 30, 1984 to September 17, 1984.
Brian Mulroney eighteenth Prime minister of Canada from September 17, 1984, to June 25, 1993.
Brian Mulroney as leader of the Progressive conservitive party from 1983-1993
Kim Campbell nineteenth Prime minister of Canada from June 25 to November 4, 1993.
Kim Campbell as leader of the Progressive conservitive party in 1993
Liberal Government. The Liberals have been in office now for 137 months
Jean Chrétien was the twentieth Prime Minister of Canada, serving from November 4, 1993, to December 12, 2003.
Paul Martin is the twenty first Prime Minister of Canada from December 12, 2003 to this date april 29th , 2005.
If we use Trudeau's starting date we can break down the length of times the two major political parties held office.
april 20th 1968 to 1969 is 9 months rounded out, plus the years between 1970 and 1978 to the end of may 1979 to round out is 5 months.
The liberals held power under Trudeau for 110 months.
The Conservitives took office under Joe Clark in june 4th 1979.
June 4th to 1980 is 7 months plus to march 2nd of 1980 is 3 months.
The Conservitives held office under Clark for 10 months
Trudeau and the Liberals took power again from from March 3rd 1980 to June 30 1984
the 10 months of 1980 through to 1983 plus the 6 months of 1984 is 52 months
The Conservitives took power under several leaders between the dates of June 30, 1984 to November 4, 1993
Rounded out from july 1984 is 6 months through the years to 1992 is 84 months plus to october of 1993 rounded out is 10 months making a total of 100 months.
The Liberals took power under Jean Chrétien in November 4, 1993 and under Paul Martin to the date of this writing which is april 29th 2005.
Rounded out there is the 1 month of 1993 through to 2004 is 133 months plus the 4 months of 2005 is 137 months.
This adds up to a total of 432 months.
310 months under the Liberal's
122 months under the Conservitive's.
Source for information came from:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/
It may be a little unreasonable to expect any party to get it right 100% of the time (including the Conservatives), but it is very reasonable to expect the party in power not to enlist the aid of advertising agents and organized crime to improve the balance of their election fund.DasFX said:
I'm 100% with you here DasFX except, if I may be a little pedantic, I would use the term "alleged corruption".DasFX said:
Those who place political ideology ahead of political reality find a need to constantly revise actual reality to substantiate their ideas.
Those who truly understand realpolitiks and the changing nature of our modern world also understand that today, like patriotism, loyalty to any political ideology "is the last refuge of a scoundrel"; and indicates a distinct lack of imagination on the part of the ideologue.
Re: RE: How will a Conservative government be better?
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Thanks, but I can't take credit for serendipity.Vanni Fucci said:
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RE: How will a Conservati
Yeah, because the US is doing so well under the same kind of policies that Harper is proposing. Oh wait, the US is nearing bankruptcy, is involved in an illegal war, and its social programs are a bad joke. Maybe emulating their programs isn't such a good idea...
Yeah, because the US is doing so well under the same kind of policies that Harper is proposing. Oh wait, the US is nearing bankruptcy, is involved in an illegal war, and its social programs are a bad joke. Maybe emulating their programs isn't such a good idea...
RE: How will a Conservati
You mean as opposed to Stephen Harper, Sherriff of Nottingham? You bet.
You mean as opposed to Stephen Harper, Sherriff of Nottingham? You bet.
Well said, Blue, I share your embarrassment. Canada has become a bit of a joke on the world stage largely due to mismanagement by those who think that governing is merely a popularity contest. It's a terrible shame that our nation, with all its promise should be dragged down by this wimp tyranny. All we can do is gird our electoral loins and try to ensure this rot is not allowed to continue.bluealberta said:
Meanwhile and back on topic...
In political and philosophical terms the CPC are far more aligned to the UK's New Labour than with even the US Republican Party. The problem the CPC have is that, because they are to the right of the Canadian political spectrum they are accused of having an extremist neo-conservative agenda. This is like accusing New Labour of having a communist agenda. I doubt that even the average US Republican has an extremist neo-conservative agenda; for sure some may but, as the word extremist implies, they are probably in the minority.
The revisionist conspiracy theorists and NSF have grasped at the above problem to cast the CPC in the same light as extremist neo-conservatives - which they are most certainly not - and make Stephen Harper sound as if he agrees with everything that comes out of the mouth of George Bush - which I very much doubt.
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Near bankruptcy? Is this a comedy forum? That's prolly the dumbest comment I've read yet.
Its social programs are a bad joke? Social programs in general are jokes.
The US has the #1 economy in the world. I'd like to live that way.
Reverend Blair said:
Near bankruptcy? Is this a comedy forum? That's prolly the dumbest comment I've read yet.
Its social programs are a bad joke? Social programs in general are jokes.
The US has the #1 economy in the world. I'd like to live that way.
RE: How will a Conservati
I'd hate to have lock this thread, Jay and Swirl. If you want to discuss me instead of the CPC, then I suggest you do it elsewhere.
I'd hate to have lock this thread, Jay and Swirl. If you want to discuss me instead of the CPC, then I suggest you do it elsewhere.
Re: RE: How will a Conservati
First rule of this forum: Never offend The Rev. But just in case some of us missed it; warn him of what?
Jay said:
First rule of this forum: Never offend The Rev. But just in case some of us missed it; warn him of what?
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