How the mighty have fallen.

[BM5]

A cross country tour by leading churchmen finds itself in Prince Albert, Sask. today.

United, Catholic, Presbyterian and Anglican clerics and bishops are on a road tour apologizing to native groups for decades (centuries, if they knew their history)of abuse , neglect and colonialist prejudices.

They do look so pious on TV! The Cathoilc bishop is sans his crozier and staff ( best to leave that prop in the cathedral, lest it reminds the sheep who the shephard is), the Anglican is praying for "reconciliation" and the other two guys are also dressed in black and looking somewhat repentant.

God's HOLY , ORDAINED SUCCESSORS TO Saint PETER on national TV admitting the evil they and their colleagues caused to humanity---all nice and good I suppose, but I wonder what they talk about after their TV time in the hotel lounge sniffing their expensive Scotch.

Probably something about all this show and tell being necessary to keep the sheep tithing and submissive...after all golf rates and Cadillacs keep going up in price and it just wouldn't do to feel deprived while in The Master's Employ!

I feel your pain grump.

 

[mrgrumpy]

I feel your pain grump.

I don't have pain. I actually feel liberated by understanding the nonsense I was subjected to, in terms of 'religious education' and have since felt more human and alive since the unshakling , as one wit put it the other day.

If I feel anything it's anger - for all the hurt and pain superstition and myth has caused mankind.

It's beacuse of religion that we are 1,500 years behind were we should be as a civilization.

 

[mrgrumpy]

funny how ya all keep avoiding the question that if biblegod sanctions child abuse, and the churches/clerics are guilty of it , how can it be anything other the Christian thing to do...

 

[MHz]

Apparently they are catching on, hence those apologies you brought to our attention. Be interesting to see when they make it to your door, please keep us informed.

 

[mrgrumpy]

I'm sure they'll be at your door first.

 

[gerryh]

funny how ya all keep avoiding the question that if biblegod sanctions child abuse, and the churches/clerics are guilty of it , how can it be anything other the Christian thing to do...

Christianity doesn't "sanction" child abuse....this is just more of your bullshyte.

 

[mrgrumpy]

tsk tsk..I expected more from you.

Don't you even know your bible texts?

It DOES INDEED Sanction, APPROVE AND DIRECT CHILD ABUSE.

iN THE MONING i WILL PROVIDE YOU THE SCRIPTURAL TEXTS SUPPORTING IT.
hope you can wait that long.
I'm off t a lovely dinner party...enjoy your hamburger...

 

[MHz]

And you enjoy your crow.

 

[gerryh]

tsk tsk..I expected more from you.

Don't you even know your bible texts?

It DOES INDEED Sanction, APPROVE AND DIRECT CHILD ABUSE.

iN THE MONING i WILL PROVIDE YOU THE SCRIPTURAL TEXTS SUPPORTING IT.
hope you can wait that long.
I'm off t a lovely dinner party...enjoy your hamburger...

and since you're talkiong Christianity, which are those that follow the teachings of Christ, every single quote and passage better be from the New Testament.

 

[MHz]

He's just going to quote the one that says not one jot of the Law is voided. He will simply ignore the verses that point to that meaning the 10 Commandments and them alone.

 

[mrgrumpy]

Is biblegod a warcriminal? A mass killer of innocents and children?

Of course he is. The Holy Bible says so. Clearly and explicitly.

Would you like the endless verses that prove it?

http://jcnot4me.com/Items/evangelical_ath/biblegod_the_warcriminal.htm

I'm sure SOME of you are already thinking yer gonna use the ole "INTERPRETATION" ploy to excuse the Old Goat's torment of humankind and weave all kinds of deluded explanations and excuses into your INTERPRETATIONS, but that's OK. WILLFUL IGNORANCE is the hallmark by which religions operate. JUST PRETEND IT AIN'T SO!!

As for my expectations I'm sure you'll revert to the tiresome process of quoting scriptural texts ad nauseum in reply.

Maybe while yer at it , you might check the Ingersoll link which may (but I doubt it) open your eyes; he says that Christians are better than their God.

Certainly that is true; in spite of the willful ignorance and wishful thinking I see in most Christians I know they still are far superior to the hateful Old Goat they so blindly worship.

Very strange thing religion - when yer so caught up in fictional myths and want to live out the details, you abandon reality. Ceratinly lots of evidence on this thread to support that!

 

[MHz]

So why didn't the parents stop Him?

 

[mrgrumpy]

After you've had a peek at the biblegod link here are some questions to consider;

Are women, children and homosexual people generally treated badly in society ?- meaning the last few thousand years - because The Holy Bible treated them as unworthy, wicked or just worth " half the value of a cow"?

Are wars for the sake of conquest and conquer ongoing because the Holy Bible depicts a blood thirsty and vengeful God who loves war and destruction?

Is society's disconnect between technological advancement and the wisdom to control it a result of the hundreds of years of lost development and progress when the Church ruled society, aka the Dark Ages?

Is a distrust of the scientific process of inquiry and validation the result of biblical verses that describe magical events that we now know are foolishness and pure invention?

Do old men in dresses and funny hats living in Rome have anything worthwhile to contribute to society's struggle for progress?

Just a few thoughts as we await another lovely spring day...

 

[mrgrumpy]

and since you're talkiong Christianity, which are those that follow the teachings of Christ, every single quote and passage better be from the New Testament.

My , my you seem rather defensive.

And why dear boy had every quote better be from the NT?

Are you suggesting the God of the old tetsmant and the Jesus of the new, are not one and the same?

 

[mrgrumpy]

Are you keen on Jesus?

Think he's just the best thing ever?

Love all those wonderful, heart-wrending miracles of his?

Believe all that wonderful inventive "theology" the churches made up to control society and give you some "blessed assurance" your imaginary friend was a true compatriot and guide through life's problems? And would save yer wretched ass if only you said you were sorry?

I know, we all want to believe in wonderful outcomes with everlasting life in a charming heaven with whipped cream on top, but IT JUST AIN'T SO.

And who is this Jesus? Many say he is the creator and ruler and God of the entire Universe. Imagine that! And we fill collection plates in hope of earning his favor.

And when questions arise we are full of excuses, INTERPRETATIONS and pious nonsensical platitudes to convince ourselves that we are true believers and he lives in our hearts!

As fairy tales go, it is surely one of the best ever written! And the sales of the Book of Myths are impressive indeed. Although they have started to lag of late.

I know everyone likes to think they are 'brave' these days; seekers of the truth, independent warriors on their way to heaven, and similiar tripe. Why are humans so easily deceieved?

Maybe we're just stupid.

Here's something to consider while you're dozing off in the pew this Sunday morning, hoping someone pulls the fire alarm;

http://jcnot4me/Items/evangelical_ath/biblegod_thr_warcriminal.htm

 

[MHz]

Is biblegod a warcriminal? A mass killer of innocents and children?

Interesting that all your data comes from God's 'confessions', He has at least made those things known to you. Here's a little animation of a few thousand years of that area. Where are the books and numbers for those other kingdoms? Notice which kingdom was the least in size, that might also be an indication that it also affected the least number of people.
http://infosthetics.com/archives/2006/09/middle_east_history.html

Of course he is. The Holy Bible says so. Clearly and explicitly.

Which is you biggest beef, that He did those things or that He told you about them. He also sent His only begotten Son to the grave to pay for those sins, what restitution have you ever paid for your sins? Since you come from the RCC you don't have to answer that.

Would you like the endless verses that prove it?

http://jcnot4me.com/Items/evangelical_ath/biblegod_the_warcriminal.htm

Ah yes, the booty in bikinis. I always get a kick out of this charge, it surely shows how the writer would run such a campaign (and those who agree that with the original article would do exactly the same, yourself included). The Bible says those taken captives were allowed a full month of mourning with nothing more than the hair on their heads being cut. They were then taken as wives, equal in every respect to a wife who hadn't been taken as a captive. That paints quite a different picture than those, like yourself and the writer of the article, who see it as a rape-fest, which is what it would have been had you guys been running the show.
The ones who had children were slain, say you took a married woman whose sons had been slain for a wife. Do you really think your life would last any longer than you will could keep you awake?

Since all these people are covered in Re:20:4 under the 'beheaded' for the word of God they have a future that even spares them from spending any time in hell. A place where any false 'Christian' who has committed such sins will surely go, that might even include those who deny Christ as being the Son of God. So really who gets the short end of the stick, you or them?

I'm sure SOME of you are already thinking yer gonna use the ole "INTERPRETATION" ploy to excuse the Old Goat's torment of humankind and weave all kinds of deluded explanations and excuses into your INTERPRETATIONS, but that's OK. WILLFUL IGNORANCE is the hallmark by which religions operate. JUST PRETEND IT AIN'T SO!!

Why would I do that for something that happened just as written, even you believe those parts of Scripture.

As for my expectations I'm sure you'll revert to the tiresome process of quoting scriptural texts ad nauseum in reply.

Why light a candle for somebody who is blind?

Maybe while yer at it , you might check the Ingersoll link which may (but I doubt it) open your eyes; he says that Christians are better than their God.

If that was you 2nd link, it doesn't work.

Certainly that is true; in spite of the willful ignorance and wishful thinking I see in most Christians I know they still are far superior to the hateful Old Goat they so blindly worship.

The ones who commit sins under the delusion they have some kind of reward coming from Christ are going to be surprised and disappointed when He gives them their just reward. In a sense they are kind of fulfilling prophecy, only they will be the example of what happens to those who call Christ Lord yet fail to follow His instructions. My math was off a bit yesterday, at current population rates and discounting the ones Satan kills it would be about 4Billion in one day, not the 2Billion I mentioned before.

Very strange thing religion - when yer so caught up in fictional myths and want to live out the details, you abandon reality. Ceratinly lots of evidence on this thread to support that!

I guess time will tell won't it. At least He has stopped you from being able to say, why didn't you warn me.

 

[MHz]

Are you suggesting the God of the old tetsmant and the Jesus of the new, are not one and the same?

They aren't, had you read the book, or at least some part of it, you would know that. You should know you can't be your own son.

 

[mrgrumpy]

When one person suffers from delusion it is called insanity.

When many people suffer from delusion it's called Religion.

 

[MHz]

That's actually a pretty good one. LOL

 

[mrgrumpy]

True, too!