OK, mrgrumpy
Refuting the trinity is for lack of understanding.
The view in that site is from a humanistic understanding and lacks the spiritual side of understanding.
I understand the trinity view completely and have no problem with any verses that to man seem controversial.
The bible is designed to confuse in order for mankind to try harder to seek out the truth.
When mankind or folks such as your self who onces graced the pages of the bible with interest, became confused.
But rather than trying harder to seek out understanding, gave way to the easier path, and that is unbelief.
Why climb a mountain if there are so many obstacles in the way? Unless one has the hearts desire to reach the top, the obstacles are but a challenge and the going ruff, but at the top is victory over all of it.
Victory is not won standing on the sidelines of life, the easy path, the valleys, but in overcoming the challenges set forth in front of us so that onces the goal is met, we will have learned to conquer life in understanding.
PRO 24:3 Through wisdom is an house built; and by understanding it is established:
PRO 24:4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.
Knowledge of the wisdom of God is established by understanding, and the riches there in can only be known by understanding.
Here is wisdom, know and understand the word of God, and His riches will be yours.
Peace>>>AJ
It's lovely that people are finding friendship and commonality here at CC. Whether people subscribe to your beliefs or not is beside the point. I don't but I'd still prefer to call you friend than enemy!
Can you call an avowed atheist your friend?
It's lovely that people are finding friendship and commonality here at CC. Whether people subscribe to your beliefs or not is beside the point. I don't but I'd still prefer to call you friend than enemy!
Can you call an avowed atheist your friend?
You do have a knack for dodging and weaving...ever boxed?
The Trinity was a purely, politcal human invention and based on pagan beliefs, as is so much else in the bible.
Oh shucks, give me a hug!
On a slightly different note here's a send up on Mitt Romney, and those crazy funlovin' Baptists over at Landover University....
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1207/mittromney.html
My comments is what you seek? Well, God gave us all, including yourself the ability to choose your own beliefs.
He has his and you have yours.
I don't see a problem with either of you until one of you should decide to make it a world belief and kill off every body who is different.
If that would be the case, I'd be fearful of mankind, not God."
It was GOD who killed off mankind in the great flood was it not? Even the Nazi's pale in comparison.
My comments is what you seek? Well, God gave us all, including yourself the ability to choose your own beliefs.
He has his and you have yours.
I don't see a problem with either of you until one of you should decide to make it a world belief and kill off every body who is different.
If that would be the case, I'd be fearful of mankind, not God."
It was GOD who killed off mankind in the great flood was it not? Even the Nazi's pale in comparison.
Let me x you a question: if the world went into a nuclear Holocaust, whose fault would that be, and how many billions of people would be effected?
There is an explanation why the flood ended the inhabitants of that time, can you give me the reason why?
Nations rise and fall regardless of whether they believe in God or not why?
Sin!
Rome fell because it gave into sin and thus God judged it, likewise was the people before the flood, and the many times over and over did God judge Israel.
Friend, sin is the root of all destruction and sin has no favorites but does have an enemy: love.
God is love, and there is no evil in God, but in mankind alone.
Yes, God does provide the obstacles and the withal to overcome them, but if just we listen and learn.
Peace>>>AJ
Perhaps you would prefer to have the planet inhabited by fallen angels and their children. Notice this is who was taken out right after the exodus.God must have been in a pretty nasty mood to consider, of all the people on the planet. only Noah's family was worth saving.
"God is love, and there is no evil in God, but in mankind alone."
REALLY?
"I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, AND CREATE EVIL, I the Lord do all these things". Isaiah 45;7 (KJV)
I would bet the ones who died would see it that way also, until He gives them back their breath and they witness a very lot more go to a place worse than death for what will be much longer than a 'blink of the eye'. Luckily you know all that already anyway.