How Many Dimensions In The Holographic Universe?

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ScienceDaily (Feb. 9, 2009) — Viennese scientists are trying to understand the mysteries of the holographic principle: How many dimensions are there in our universe?

Some of the world's brightest minds are carrying out research in this area -- and still have not succeeded so far in creating a unified theory of quantum gravitation is often considered to be the “Holy Grail” of modern science.

Daniel Grumiller from the Institute of Theoretical Physics, Vienna University of Technology, can now at least unravel some of the mysteries of quantum gravitation. His results on black holes and gravitational waves are pretty mind-boggling - to say the least. Only recently he won the START prize and will use these funds to engage even more young physicians at the TU Vienna.


Creating a unified theory of quantum gravitation is often considered to be the "Holy Grail" of modern science. (Credit: Copyright Florian Aigner)

We perceive the space around us as three-dimensional. According to Einstein, time and space are inseparabely linked. Adding the time axis to our three-dimensional space makes our space-time-continuum four-dimensional. For decades, scientists have been wondering about the existence of additional dimensions so far hidden to our senses. Grumiller and his colleagues are trying the opposite approach: Instead of postulating additional dimensions, they believe that our universe could in fact be described by less than four dimensions.

“A hologram, as you find it on bank notes or credit cards, appears to show a three-dimensional picture, even though in fact it is just two-dimensional,” Grumiller explains. In such a case, reality has fewer dimensions than we would thinkit appears to have. This “holographic principle” plays an important role in the physics of space time. Instead of creating a theory of gravity in all the time and space dimensions, one can formulate a new quantum theory with one fewer spatial dimension. That way, a 3D theory of gravitation turns into a 2D quantum theory, in which gravity does not appear any more. Still, this quantum theory correctly predicts phenomena like black holes or gravitational waves.

“The question, how many dimensions our world really has, does probably not even have a proper answerprobably cannot be answered explicitly,” Grumiller thinks. “Depending on the particular question we are trying to answer, either one of the approaches may turn out to be more useful.”

Grumiller is currently working on gravitational theories which include two spatial dimensions and one time dimension. They can be mapped onto a two-dimensional gravitationless quantum theory. Such theories can be used to describe rapidly rotating black holes or “cosmic strings” – spacetime defects, which probably appeared shortly after the Big Bang.

Together with colleagues from the University of Vienna, Grumiller is organizing an international workshop, which will take place from April 14 to 24, 2009. Renowned participants, like scientists from Harvard, Princeton, the MIT and many other universities, reveal that the Viennese gravitation physicians are held in high regard internationally.
 

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I have a bottle of gravitrons that I'v managed to dip from the gravity well I discovered under the shed last summer. I could let them look at the stuff for the right price.
Seriously Herm don't tell me you believe these crazy bastards, the longer they look the less they find the more fantastic thier runic scriblings become. They're readers of chicken guts Herm. These nuts burn up hundreds of millions of research dollars every year finding more and deeper exotic states of matter and time and space and all of it adds up to what? Zip squared.:lol:
 

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I have a bottle of gravitrons that I'v managed to dip from the gravity well I discovered under the shed last summer. I could let them look at the stuff for the right price.
Seriously Herm don't tell me you believe these crazy bastards, the longer they look the less they find the more fantastic thier runic scriblings become. They're readers of chicken guts Herm. These nuts burn up hundreds of millions of research dollars every year finding more and deeper exotic states of matter and time and space and all of it adds up to what? Zip squared.:lol:

one of these wacky theories will end up being true. I don't claim to be clever enough to figure out which one. string theory is just as crazy sounding to me. The money they use is astounding, yes, but i guess someone's willing to pay it and it's not my money so i don't care. And I am kinda interested to see why gravity is so weak.
 

darkbeaver

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one of these wacky theories will end up being true. I don't claim to be clever enough to figure out which one. string theory is just as crazy sounding to me. The money they use is astounding, yes, but i guess someone's willing to pay it and it's not my money so i don't care. And I am kinda interested to see why gravity is so weak.

Gravity was always weak I guess, and pretty much unidirectional as well. I was reading earlier about the size of dinosaurs (big) was an effect of gravity you see, apparently way back then the earth was smaller as the planet acquired more mass the bigger life forms died off. Interesting theroy with good evidence.
 

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Oh yeah, I think I read something about some goofy hypothesis that Earth used to be a fraction the size it is now. That brought about a guffaw or two. Then I thought I would look at evidence and found that Earth, 400 million years ago, was 102 ± 2.8% of today's radius. So much for expansion.
 

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Oh yeah, I think I read something about some goofy hypothesis that Earth used to be a fraction the size it is now. That brought about a guffaw or two. Then I thought I would look at evidence and found that Earth, 400 million years ago, was 102 ± 2.8% of today's radius. So much for expansion.

Nobody said it can't get smaller seems it's variable and it seems it
s not time constrained either. Incoming mass outgoing mass.


"All marine fossils from 200 million years ago or earlier are found exclusively on continental locations -- just as expanding Earth theory predicts. That's because all large marine environments pre-Jurassic were epicontinental seas -- not oceans. Incredibly, if we deny expanding Earth theory, all the pre-Jurassic oceanic marine fossils must have vanished, along with all pre-Jurassic oceanic crust, as well as all of the fossils of all the trans-Pacific taxa that simply "walked" from one location to the other. Hmmm. Even your mainstream fixist geologist counterparts of the first half of the twentieth century didn't have to accept that many miracles." -- Dennis D. McCarthy, geoscientist, October 2003
 

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"All marine fossils from 200 million years ago or earlier are found exclusively on continental locations -- just as expanding Earth theory predicts.

people don't often go fossil-hunting off the edge of the continental shelf. Although a brief google suggests that dinosaur fossils are found on the seabed.
 

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There is absolutely no proof for subduction or techtonics,as far as I understand it's a poor hypothysis.

Morning DB,

Had to chuck in my two cents at this one.
There is scads of proof available confirming subduction zones and plate tectonics.
The whole science of geology rests on it.
It's no hypothesis....it's a fact.

Look at a map. You can easily see where Africa once fitted into the side of South America.
Mountain ranges are caused by tectonics, one huge plate crashes into another (think of the plates as acting like ice floes bobbing in a sea of magma) and viola subduction zones and mountain building occurs.
As an aside some of the most interesting and previously unknown marine fossils are being discovered on some mountain tops in the Alberta Rockies.
They are found in a formation called the Burgess Shale and it's worth the hike.

The formation called the Red Beds exists and is easily located on both sides of the Atlantic...thus proving tectonics as its identical on both sides of the pond.

The "Ring of Fire" consist of area's on the Earth surface which are prone to constant volcanic activity.
This ring region exists at the edges of the continental plates and is caused by tectonics and subduction.

The very reason earthquakes occur is because of tectonics and subduction.
On plate is slowly grinding and subducting against another.
Then it sticks, forces and stresses slowly build until it finally lets go.....earthquake.

Its a very slow process but its relatively simple to measure the movement or subduction of one plate in regards to another. Scientists do it all the time.

Trex