How I became Ohkwai

[canadarocks]

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To answer in my words to attacks posted on beliefs. Yes I've attack the Catholic religion due that if it was a math equation it would not add up. Where its views are more contradictions and so on. but mainly the stance they have towards abortion, gay marriage and so on. Theres is a common thread i see but that would be a whole debate in it's self. If by the way they were talking more of the spiritual side of they're religion then that's a whole different ball game. How it makes them feel about the church then my hands are tied my mouth is shut. I will not go there. And by any chance that I do then take my words and shove them back in my face , I will bow out humbly. Any other religion that post their beliefs i am open minded to read and learn.

Well, that to me is not an excuse. If you are not a practicing member of that faith group, its beliefs and policies are not for you anyway. In other words, the only reason I can see for entering a thread on any topic like religion for the sole purpose of attacking their beliefs is self-serving. Since you mentioned them, tell me, do you feel that by doing so you will sway the devout from their chosen faith?

 

[canadarocks]

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The "Sweat Lodge" is not a custom of all Nations, it has been widely adopted for its benefits, mentally and physically, though.

What is the correct termnology Bear? "Tribe" or "Nation"?

 

[CDNBear]

Accepted, and thank you.

No, thank you.

Well, if it is by the consent of the people, surely even Native Canadians have the right to determine what spiritual path they wish to follow. I believe that whatever they do follow leads to God anyway, so what difference if they use Christian labels or not. Just curious, given the history in this country of Anglican and RC evangelism to the Natives, when you say that some groups use Christianity, it is within one of these two denominations?

I do feel the same and have said it many time, is the Great Spirit who's wisdom I follow, not resemble the God of the Christians? I think that they are one in the same, as I would say Allah and God are the same. Just minute differences in the way we follow what was laid out for us to learn.

It's actually within a few more denominations, I can not for the life of me, remember them all, but those two are the most dominant. I was baptised RC as a child, and then Anglican as a tween, because I was sent to a jeuvinile facility run by the AC. Interesting to say the least.

I'm not totally happy with the amalgamation of Christianity and Traditional spirituality, but that is just me, I would not force those beliefs on anyone. Within my own household, I feel it is my duty to expose my children to the beauty in all faiths, lest they become as jaded and onesided as I sometimes let out. But when it comes to faiths, and I know how this may sound, but it is just my opinion, I feel segragation is best, only to keep the original as beautiful as it was ment to be, but hey, I could be wrong, to some the combination could be just as, if not more beautiful.

 

[CDNBear]

What is the correct termnology Bear? "Tribe" or "Nation"?

That depends on the sensitivity of the person with whom you are conversing, lol.

Me I understand the errors in education, so terms like "tribe", "indian", don't offend. But the truth be told, "indian's" was a mistake, Indians, were the inhabitants of the Indies. We Natives of NA, were mistaken as such by early expolrers and unfortunetly it stuck. Though most of us do not see it as an insult, just more of a giggle at a long uncorrect error. As for "Tribe", I know some people in my community that take offence to it, but I can find no error in it, so it's all cool. Me personally, I prefer Nation for a couple reasons,
1) We in the Six Nations, never surrendered to the English, but chose to be Allies, as depicted in the two row wampum. So we still consider ourselves a Nation within the Contrainsts of Canada, though many rebel against this, I this as a positive and we should maintain our side by side relationship without aggression or degradation.
2) In our history all the varying Nations, saw themselves as seperate entities, or small moving countries, without boarders. Once we were coralled and to some extent subjugated, I think the use of the term "Nation" goes a long way to give some sense of self and independence, though our actions may not always indicate such. I feel in the future it will lend greatly to the establishment of accountablity and reponsiblity for our own course of action.

 

[El Barto]

Well, that to me is not an excuse. If you are not a practicing member of that faith group, its beliefs and policies are not for you anyway. In other words, the only reason I can see for entering a thread on any topic like religion for the sole purpose of attacking their beliefs is self-serving. Since you mentioned them, tell me, do you feel that by doing so you will sway the devout from their chosen faith?

And I question the reason sometimes to the agenda of the person who does post the thead.

 

[CDNBear]

Well, that to me is not an excuse. If you are not a practicing member of that faith group, its beliefs and policies are not for you anyway. In other words, the only reason I can see for entering a thread on any topic like religion for the sole purpose of attacking their beliefs is self-serving. Since you mentioned them, tell me, do you feel that by doing so you will sway the devout from their chosen faith?

As much as my commentary may be crass and or rude, I generally avoid the religious threads, as it always draws out the worst in me. But from time to time, I feel compelled to enter and add my half pence, if only to counter what I preceive to be a negative slash at what I believe or feel is worthy of my defence. Although I will admit my tactics are not admirable and oft negate my mission, my heart is, IMHO, in theright place, in other words, I don't do it to be petty or obnoxious.

And I question the reason sometimes to the agenda of the person who does post the thead.

Hence my participation in those threads as well my friend.

 

[Sparrow]

There is nothing wrong about discussing or even arguing points of different religions. Even strong language is only showing our emotions about the subject and this is what CC is all about. I think it is normal to get hot under the collar, discussions do that and there is really no harm. However those who come into a thread to insult and belittle people for the beliefs whether it be religion or any other subjet show how small minded they really are, and that they have not matured into adulthood. Excuse me but I have to go apologies to someone.

 

[selfactivated]

That depends on the sensitivity of the person with whom you are conversing, lol.

Me I understand the errors in education, so terms like "tribe", "indian", don't offend. But the truth be told, "indian's" was a mistake, Indians, were the inhabitants of the Indies. We Natives of NA, were mistaken as such by early expolrers and unfortunetly it stuck. Though most of us do not see it as an insult, just more of a giggle at a long uncorrect error. As for "Tribe", I know some people in my community that take offence to it, but I can find no error in it, so it's all cool. Me personally, I prefer Nation for a couple reasons,
1) We in the Six Nations, never surrendered to the English, but chose to be Allies, as depicted in the two row wampum. So we still consider ourselves a Nation within the Contrainsts of Canada, though many rebel against this, I this as a positive and we should maintain our side by side relationship without aggression or degradation.
2) In our history all the varying Nations, saw themselves as seperate entities, or small moving countries, without boarders. Once we were coralled and to some extent subjugated, I think the use of the term "Nation" goes a long way to give some sense of self and independence, though our actions may not always indicate such. I feel in the future it will lend greatly to the establishment of accountablity and reponsiblity for our own course of action.

When I say Indian or Tribr its because its the words that people understand. If Im talking to a someone of my ethnicity I call them Brother/ Sister or if Im showing respect Ill call them a humanbeing. But in the States the terms Tribes and Ameracan Indian are the norm

 

[Sparrow]

I Apologize to Sanctus

Please accept by apology for ranting at you for my personal hangups with the RC religion. I had absolutely no right to hang this all on you, I don't even know you. You have a right to your beliefs and my experiences have nothing to do with you. If I go back on "How to get rid of our sinfulness" I will try to discuss rationally and with respect but if I don't I give you permission to kick my butt please.

Sparrow

 

[Sparrow]

Oh, I wanted a new thread and ended up here. OOPS

 

[Vereya]

CDNBear - it was a truly awe-inspiring tale. You have my deepest respect.

 

[CDNBear]

CDNBear - it was a truly awe-inspiring tale. You have my deepest respect.

Why thank you, you have mine as well.

 

[El Barto]

How do you know what I look like?

Hey know I know how you look like . Saw you MySpace site. Long blonde curly hair , you remind me of my inflatable doll I used to have. If you have to ask what happened to it I "poked " it one too many times. I\ve tried patching things up with it but it was quite un cmfortable.
Miss those locks sniff sniff Oh what the hey
All that hot air to get her ready , too much work. Women always ready when your not. lol

 

[mapleleafgirl]

And I question the reason sometimes to the agenda of the person who does post the thead.

what if theyre just sharing something theyre interested in/ i mean, thats enough isnt it? we take everything at face value but when it comes to religion we think there is some kind of secret motive..sad.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

That depends on the sensitivity of the person with whom you are conversing, lol.

Me I understand the errors in education, so terms like "tribe", "indian", don't offend. But the truth be told, "indian's" was a mistake, Indians, were the inhabitants of the Indies. We Natives of NA, were mistaken as such by early expolrers and unfortunetly it stuck. Though most of us do not see it as an insult, just more of a giggle at a long uncorrect error. As for "Tribe", I know some people in my community that take offence to it, but I can find no error in it, so it's all cool. Me personally, I prefer Nation for a couple reasons,
1) We in the Six Nations, never surrendered to the English, but chose to be Allies, as depicted in the two row wampum. So we still consider ourselves a Nation within the Contrainsts of Canada, though many rebel against this, I this as a positive and we should maintain our side by side relationship without aggression or degradation.
2) In our history all the varying Nations, saw themselves as seperate entities, or small moving countries, without boarders. Once we were coralled and to some extent subjugated, I think the use of the term "Nation" goes a long way to give some sense of self and independence, though our actions may not always indicate such. I feel in the future it will lend greatly to the establishment of accountablity and reponsiblity for our own course of action.

where did the term tribe come from than? i like the idea of the six nations--were there any other native confederations like that one?

 

[El Barto]

did you read the thread -religion is it a hoax?
perfect example

 

[mapleleafgirl]

did you read the thread -religion is it a hoax?
perfect example

well yeah, but that guy is a twit, imho. i thought you were talking about like christian or pagan faith articles that get submitted here and those i am sure are just cos the posters are interested in those topics with no ulterior motives.

 

[El Barto]

not necisarily
except for that infamous night of the post on witches craft and paganism, posted by a christian that got alot of flack.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

not necisarily
except for that infamous night of the post on witches craft and paganism, posted by a christian that got alot of flack.

well, you must be smarter than all the rest of the world cos i certainly dont know anybodys secret intentions. congratulations on being so wise(sarcasm)

 

[El Barto]

that post was an attack dear. (sarc) hello