How did anybody actually believe Obama?

[gopher]

pffffffffffffft yeah that could happen...NOT......check above you...it's not like you're up against anything serious

more like...nah, nah, nah nah

isn't that a song...

So true.

If any right wing delusional is really interested in the truth all they need to do is to avail themselves of libertarian Bill Maher's many Zombie lies:





https://www.google.com/search?q=bil...fficial&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp



Thereafter they can change the name of this thread from How anybody actually believe Obama to How can anyone believe those right wing lies?"

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Obama isn't a tyrant. He just spies on EVERYBODY and executes citizens without trial. But Republicans keep voting against Obamacare, so yeah, definitely not a tyrant.

What citizen did he execute without trial?

 

[gopher]

What citizen did he execute without trial?

That was COINTELPRO under Hoover who murdered several members of the Black Panthers in cold blood.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That was COINTELPRO under Hoover who murdered several members of the Black Panthers in cold blood.

Try to focus. I suspect she's talking about al-Awlaki, but he wasn't executed.

 

[gopher]

Not really - if you look a little closer you'd see that our discussion has been a bit more expansive than that.

 

[SLM]

People don't actually believe politicians do they? I mean don't most people really, deep down, vote based upon who's built up the best 'hate their face' rhetoric?

Seriously.

 

[Corduroy]

Try to focus. I suspect she's talking about al-Awlaki, but he wasn't executed.

I'd like to hear your definition of "executed".

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I'd like to hear your definition of "executed".

Executed means put to death by civil authority. Operative word is "civil."

 

[Corduroy]

Seriously? Come on now.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Seriously? Come on now.

As opposed to "military." Enemies in wartime aren't entitled to trials. And before you ask, nothing stops a citizen from being an enemy.

And because I've already had this argument umpty-leven times, the war against al Qaeda was authorized by Congress, according to the Constitution, in the Authorization for the Use of Military Force against Al Qaeda.

 

[gopher]

the war against al Qaeda was authorized by Congress

After Bush lied as shown in the Downing Street Memo.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

After Bush lied as shown in the Downing Street Memo.

Try to focus. I'm talking about the AUMF against al Qaeda, not the AUMF against Iraq.

 

[gopher]

Every speech Bush made about his war on Iraq he confused Saddam with AQ and tried to justify himself by connecting the two when there was no possible justification for doing so.

 

[Corduroy]

As opposed to "military."

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Every speech Bush made about his war on Iraq he confused Saddam with AQ and tried to justify himself by connecting the two when there was no possible justification for doing so.

Doesn't change the fact that the Downing Street Memo supported the AUMF against Iraq, not the AUMF against al Qaeda. The AUMF against al Qaeda was passed on 14 September, 2001. The Downing Street Memo was the note on a secret meeting on 23 July 2002. So, unless you wanna argue time travel, the DSM could not have contributed to the AUMF against al Qaeda.

But I expect several more pages of you flailing around trying to conflate the two. Knock your socks off.

 

[gopher]

That's all part of a broader campaign in which the Bush's and Bin Laden's were connected by business and other interests and which ultimately led to those profitable wars. Before you came into this forum we had discussions on those such as this:


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But this was dismissed as tin hat. And the worse part is we're still paying for it.

 

[eh1eh]

I had only heard of Barack Obama weeks before he did his speech in Berlin. Shortly afterwards, I saw him in the flesh. His accent here in Berlin was unlike any of his other speeches and it was an obvious attempt to sound like Kennedy for the first bit and then Regan in the last few minutes. I knew immediately that he was a crook, yet everybody else thought he was the savior and the answer to everybody's problems.

For me, the "offness" about the President of the United States of America was more than obvious, yet he has swindled almost every other person on the planet. How can this be possible? He has moved far beyond the left-right paradigm... Yet he was elected for a second term.

How did such a tyrant make his way into such a position? It must be some good juice, because I didn't even get a sip, not even from the beginning of the Obama-kool-aid-fest.

The perfect troll post. Bravo.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That's all part of a broader campaign in which the Bush's and Bin Laden's were connected by business and other interests and which ultimately led to those profitable wars. Before you came into this forum we had discussions on those such as this:


[youtube]rKwPzzK1b4k[/youtube]



But this was dismissed as tin hat. And the worse part is we're still paying for it.

I'll be the first to agree with you that Iraq was all wrong. But you seem to think that because Iraq was wrong, that makes fighting al Qaeda wrong. Have you forgotten they killed 3000 people, crashed the World Trade Center, and put a big hole in the Pentagon? That's called an "act of war," goph.

 

[gopher]

Afghanistan had nothing to do with that attack. No possible justification exists for invading a sovereign country, killing thousands of its citizens, and wasting our tax dollars and soldiers lives for an attack carried out by stateless political fanatics.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Afghanistan had nothing to do with that attack. No possible justification exists for invading a sovereign country, killing thousands of its citizens, and wasting our tax dollars and soldiers lives for an attack carried out by stateless political fanatics.

Afghanistan is where al Qaeda was. Al Qaeda was also substantially intertwined with the Taliban government of Afghanistan. You may note that a number of countries, including Canada, that chose to stay out of D*ck and George's Excellent Adventure in Iraq did participate in the war on Afghanistan. Seems like they thought the casus belli against Afghanistan was legit.

Or perhaps Germany and Canada are just dupes and hangers-on of the U.S. Which kinda makes a body wonder why they didn't go into Iraq.