How Bush and Blair condemn the Danish cartoons.

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Europe's cartoon battle lines are drawn in shades of grey, not black and white

Lost in the furore over violent protests is any condemnation of the deliberate provocation by newspaper editors

Jonathan Steele
Saturday February 11, 2006
The Guardian

It is not often that the left agrees with Tony Blair, let alone George Bush. But the good sense the two leaders have shown in the Danish cartoons affair by siding with leftwing and liberal critics of the offensive drawings' publication is one of the more remarkable aspects of the drama. The Bush-Blair position is a useful antidote to those who claim that fear is stalking the offices of western newspapers, where cowardly executives allegedly shrink from publishing anything that might upset Muslims. Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, which first printed the unfunny cartoons, says he wanted to break away from Denmark's "self-censorship" in the face of Islam. Other European papers that followed suit boasted of courage.

They will find it hard to claim that the men (Bush and Blair) who sent ground troops into one of the oldest capital cities of the Arab world, and still keep them there on an open-ended basis in spite of opposition from a majority of Iraqis, are afraid to upset Muslims. Nor can one seriously argue that Bush is now trying to appease the Islamic world after "learning a lesson" from Iraq. He continues to inflame many Muslims with his sabre-rattling over Iran.

The fact is that on the cartoon issue the great neocon and his ideological advisers were pragmatic and smart enough to see that the drawings were in poor taste, deliberately provocative and grotesquely inaccurate in suggesting that every Muslim is a murderous would-be martyr and, worse still, that the Qur'an advocates suicide bombing.

Bush's reaction shows that Americans have a better understanding of multiculturalism than most Europeans (not including the British.) Racial, religious and ethnic discrimination are obviously still present in the United States, but its long history of mass immigration, as well as the American constitution's emphasis on individual rights regardless of origin, led Americans long ago to come to terms with the cultural differences within their rainbow nation and celebrate diversity. E pluribus unum - "unity from many" - as their motto puts it.

In Britain we are further back. If there is a tolerance spectrum, with resistance to diversity at one end, acceptance of it in the middle and celebration of it at the other end, Britain lies somewhere near the middle. It was no accident that Jack Straw, with his Blackburn constituency and a substantial following of moderate Muslim voters, was the first minister to denounce the cartoons. He knew how offensive his constituents found them. No doubt the Foreign Office's Arabists also put in a word, and this time were listened to.

Denmark is still at the spectrum's prejudiced end, a traditionally mono-ethnic country that has not yet accepted the new cultures in its midst. Public discourse is stuck where it was in Britain a generation ago, with angry talk about "guests" who ought to conform to the "host country" or go home. Try telling that to a Kurdish refugee from Saddam Hussein's Iraq, let alone to his Copenhagen-born son.

In an excellent piece in Der Spiegel, Jytte Klausen, a Danish political scientist who has interviewed more than 300 Muslim leaders in western Europe over the past five years, says "religious tolerance and respect for human rights have been sorely lacking in Denmark". She quotes Brian Mikkelsen, the minister of cultural affairs and a fierce advocate of cultural "restoration", as saying just before the cartoons appeared: "We have gone to war against the multicultural ideology that says that everything is equally valid."

When the demonstrations started and other papers in Europe printed the cartoons in "solidarity" with Jyllands-Posten, they compounded the initial anti-Muslim error by trying to stir up a continental clash of civilisations. But why should a progressive paper in Britain feel "solidarity" with anti-immigrant Danish editors who made a major error of judgment rather than with British Muslims who universally deplored the cartoons?

Now the issue has moved beyond the decision to print the cartoons and become a question about the limits of protest. However justifiably outraged, should demonstrators boycott a country's products, let alone carry slogans calling for beheadings? Overreaction may be more offensive than the initial provocation. It is also counterproductive. It is likely to create even more Islamophobes.

Here too it is important to keep cool. The cartoon row is being seized on by people with a gamut of special agendas. In Gaza, the first protesters who attacked EU offices were not from Hamas but were hotheads linked to the defeated Fatah movement as well as Islamic Jihad and others who never contested last month's elections. The protesters may have wanted to embarrass Hamas or snatch the limelight for their own movements.

In Iran, the deliberately confrontational new president is exploiting what he sees as yet another way of keeping grassroots support. He came in on a platform of promises to help the economic underclass but has failed to deliver, even as Iranian capital flees the country, the stock market falters and investors hold back on new projects in fear of war with the United States. What easier diversion than despicable denials of the Holocaust and synthetic tirades about the cartoons being a western conspiracy?

In Lebanon, anti-Syrian politicians use the crisis to denounce Damascus for allegedly getting marchers to burn the Danish embassy in Beirut - a charge which feeds into the frantic internal power struggles that are paralysing Lebanon's current government. And let us not forget that the protests against Denmark began in conservative Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, which has a broadly pro-western foreign policy. Even the Saudis only reacted after Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the Danish prime minister, refused to receive a protest delegation of Danish Islamic leaders and ambassadors from Muslim countries. The Danish government's insensitivity and rudeness were almost as offensive as the cartoons.

Several days after the dispute erupted, Bush rang Rasmussen to express support. But he was careful to say he was acting "in light of the violence against Danish and other diplomatic missions", not in solidarity with the phoney free-speech issue.

A huge responsibility now rests on the mainstream European media. The extremist slogans carried during the anti-cartoon protests do not represent the views of all Muslims and should not be portrayed as such. Moderate Muslim leaders in European countries have been speaking out all week to urge restraint and condemn the protesters' violence, just as in Britain they condemned Abu Hamza's incitement to murder long before the courts did. The trouble is that these long-standing tensions and arguments in Muslim communities where voices of moderation have consistently sought to counter the radicals were rarely reported. Extremism is a better story.

Muslims are not only an important part of Europe's new diversity. They are diverse among themselves. To suggest that, because almost all of Europe's Muslims felt offended by the cartoons, they all support slogans calling for revenge and beheadings is as inaccurate as it is for people in Muslim countries to claim that every European approved the cartoons' publication. There are liberals, conservatives, modernisers and traditionalists in all communities, just as there are those who know the bounds of good taste and bigots who do not.



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Interesting how so many right wingers perceive opposition to the publication of these offensive cartoons as "censorship". Yet, where were these right wing extremists to condemn the Bush :twisted: regime's efforts to stop Cindy Sheehan from openly expressing herself?
 

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Gopher, you compare apples with oranges.

In the Denmark case, the Arab extremists are saying
those cartoons give them the right to violence as
a reaction.

In the Sheehan case, as in most protestors cases, whether
it be in front of an abortion clinic, or down the road
from Bush's Crawford Texas home, there are physical
locations allowable to protest where it does not
interfere with the activities of others.

Your moral equivalency is both inaccurate, fuzzy
and highly non-analytical.

Nor fair.

And that's what you pride yourself in, isn't it?

Fairness ?
 

jimmoyer

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Gopher, you compare apples with oranges.

In the Denmark case, the Arab extremists are saying
those cartoons give them the right to violence as
a reaction.

In the Sheehan case, as in most protestors cases, whether
it be in front of an abortion clinic, or down the road
from Bush's Crawford Texas home, there are physical
locations allowable to protest where it does not
interfere with the activities of others.

And in the case of southern religious extremists
expressing themselves through violence, no one here
agrees that it is any more legal or righteous than
muslims doing the same.

Your moral equivalency is both inaccurate, fuzzy
and highly non-analytical.

Nor fair.

And that's what you pride yourself in, isn't it?

Fairness ?
 

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"apples and oranges"


It shouldn't be too great a leap of common sense to understand that there are certain factors at play here that give rise to Middle Eastern dissatisfaction with the West. Among them are these:


http://www.awitness.org/bloody/iraq/6kid.jpg



The idea that Bush and the West can invade their homelands with impunity while justifying themselves with every lie imaginable, and then to proceed with further mischaracterizations of sacred religious figures, it is no surprise why there is great anger in the ME towards those cartoons.

To attempt to isolate the issue of the cartoons without discussing the full context as to why there is no such Mid East unhappiness with the West will not serve to settle the discordance that exists. If all factors pertaining to the discord were discussed it could well lead to peace.
 

jimmoyer

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To attempt to isolate the issue of the cartoons without discussing the full context as to why there is no such Mid East unhappiness with the West will not serve to settle the discordance that exists.
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Actually the rules towards arbitration of disputes
requires such isolating of the issues.

If you don't, no progress is ever logically possible.

For example, the rules of engagement regarding
expression and the reaction to that expression
must have parity.

Once that is done, we can go on to the issues
you suggest.

Otherwise your approach is anarchy, because the
target of discussion keeps moving and no one will
ever be satisfied if they use YOUR approach.

I absolutely understand your point, but I suggest
we introduce some definable progression in
dissecting each part of it, agreeing on one item at
at time, and moving on to the next issue.

This gives all parties to the dispute some sense of
progress, rather than a perpetual engine of YOU'RE
WRONG, I'M RIGHT.
 

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That's because gopher trolls, he comes around, yells impeach Bush claims he has called for a Nuremburg Tribunal for Bush, Blair, and Aznar and then goes away, until he gets bored and comes back.
 

gopher

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"This is not a fair exchange anymore"

Why not?

Up to now, right wingers have been silent when Cindy Sheehan has been forceably silenced by the Bush regime. Not one of them saw it as "censorship" even though she was being denied the right to exercise her constitutional rights.

Now that European media are being criticized, all of a sudden those same critics are shouting "censorship". The obvious point being that there is a double standard. If silencing the cartoonists is the wrong thing to do, then silencing Mrs Sheehan is the wrong thing to do as well.

Right wing trolls may not like it but there is no denial that they are employing a double standard - one that is fooling no one but themselves.
 

jimmoyer

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Sheehan is quite loud.

You hear her all of the time.

Camped down from Bush Crawford Texas Home.

Picked up speaking by the US news media calling Bush
a terrorist while visiting Hugo Chavez.

The only strictures on her speaking was where,
as is the issue regarding any protesters if they interfere
with the activities of others on a street or
in the US house of reps or too close to an abortion clinic
or donning a white ku klux klan outfit in a black
neighborhood causing imminent unpredictable danger.

Your fuzzy equivalence here is useful to your
rightful prejudice American policy has earned from you.
 

gopher

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"your
rightful prejudice against us. "

That's a bizarre and oxymoronic reply. Besides, I'm a Yank, not Canadian.

Take off the pro-Bush blinders and try to see the conflicts he has caused through clear glasses. It will make for a more intelligent discussion.
 

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We are getting a NorEaster tomorrow with 30 cm of snow predicted and it's all Bushes fault. I blame the Americans, yes I do- that evil doer Bush.
 

jimmoyer

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"rightful prejudice American policy has earned from you."

Another bizarre reply. Poor boy is totally incoherent.

LOL!
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This is bizarre to you because your imagination cannot
conceive of someone who thinks American policy
has earned a lot of distrust but who can poke
holes in your presumptions and your arguments when
they are shallow and intellectually dishonest.
 

gopher

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'your imagination cannot
conceive of someone who thinks American policy
has earned a lot of distrust'

It has. There are a great many Canadians (and others) on this forum who have been proving all along that Bush's policy has indeed earned distrust.


'shallow and intellectually dishonest. '

Nothing can be more dishonest than to try to justify a war that has been based on lies such as claims that there are WMD all over Iraq.
 

jimmoyer

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No, you're intellectual dishonesty, comes from
not having the strength to see that muslim reaction
to cartoons and the continued ability of Sheehan
to speak are quite different.

And your intellectual dishonesty ignores my
agreement with you that American policy has earned
great distrust.

And you cannot conceive of anyone who might
agree with you but hold you to a better analysis of
some of your presumptions.
 

gopher

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'muslim reaction
to cartoons and the continued ability of Sheehan
to speak are quite different. '

Once again you are ignoring the thrust of my inital post: if you bothered to read it you would see that I am pointing out the double standard that you right wingers have re censorship. It was not about the reaction of the rioters in the Mid East. It was about the right to be free from censorship whether it be the European media or Mrs Sheehan.

If you had any mental coherence you would have seen it from the beginning.