have girls changed??

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Hard-Luck Henry

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You're both right, of course; what goes on in the home, and the role-models there, have a significant impact on childrens' development, no doubt outweighing TV and other influences to a certain extent. Responsible guardians like yourselves and others (I consider myself one) are to be applauded.

However, advertisers do not feel the same responsibilty; there is a definite and deliberate trend in marketing - particularly in the food, and clothing and footwear markets - to target 'market aware' children at an ever younger age. Children of today are consumers at an earlier age than previous generations. The rapidly changing pace in our society regarding technology, information processing, transportation etc. makes it possible for them to experience purchasing and consumption at a much faster rate. Companies are also becoming more aware of children as important customers today, but also as brand loyal customers in the future.

I think that we all, as a society, have a wider responsibility to all children (hey Rev.: 'I believe the chidren are our future ... :wink: ). Not all parents and guardians are as enlightened or fully informed as others. However hard we try to protect our kids, marketing is becoming more pervasive than ever. We need to draw a line, or we're in danger of producing a generation of consumer monkeys.
 
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In danger Henry ?I think were already there unfortunatly.A lot of the kids that come over to my place are walking comercials its very sad to see.
 
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Re: RE: have girls changed??

mrmom2 said:
In danger Henry ?I think were already there unfortunatly.A lot of the kids that come over to my place are walking comercials its very sad to see.
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Yeah, sorry mrmom; I'm English, so always tend to understatement :lol:
 
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You should see these kids Henry I have a high school right behind my house.There unbelievable they have no respect for anything .Garbage everywhere foul language,and absolutely no respect for adults in general.Its very sad to see!
 
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It's the same the world over, mrmom - I live near a school, and see all the things you describe. I often hear the phrase "I blame it on the parents" and, to some extent, I go along with that. But there the discussion ends - without any real attempt to get to the heart of the matter. How did we get to this place, and what are we going to do about it?
 
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Have any of you noticed that today's young girls have been becoming more slutty ..... and are trying to get boys to notice them in all the wrong ways????
Men seem to be putting more clothes on and women are taking them off.......

what is goin on?!
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WHEW!!! And I was afraid I was turning into a dirty old man! :oops:
 
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Dear Twila,

I'm glad your daughter is turning out great. But there seems to be this pervasive sexualization of younger females. Maybe it hasn't happened yet but I would bet it will happen soon. There is only so much a parent can do because we are constantly bombarded in commercials, billboards, magazines, movies, etc. Kids are being taught that if you don't look like this you are a loser, if you don't buy this you are nothing. People don't really know how this much exposure is affecting viewers.

There is also the body image factor. I have read somewhere that around 95% of white women are unhappy with their bodies. also check the latest stats on oral sex and grade niners. It is frightening.

People tend to conform (to some extent) to the cultural norm. In our case it is not looking good.

PS parents always think they know more about their kids then they actually do. (no offense, I'm not suggesting anything but it's true) think back to your childhood.
 
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I posted this because im 21 and a female...I was watching tennis the other day and noticed that mens tennis shorts are much longer than they used to be............ (which i won't complain about :pukeleft: ) Everywhere i go, all i hear about and see are sluts like "paris hilton". It is so upsetting to know that women are objectifying themselves.......didn't women at one point try not to be objects? I bet that all the sluts out there tell boys...*clears throat* and/or men....... not to call them a slut or treat them like a slut. I've seen it.... AND I've heard my guy friends talk, it is sick! Women need to get back their self respect and "hold out" instead of just "giving it up" to gain acceptance...sorry guys but i think you might agree...would you marry a whore or a homemaker???honestly.....
 
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Your question should be what kind of man do you want to marry, not what kind of person you should be to marry one. :wink:

PS you are already female, so that makes you special already 8)
 
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Jarcons,

Your right about parents not knowing the half of it when it comes to their kids. The one thing that most people seem to forget is that the body doesn't lie. the personality might, but not the body.

Most teenagers are extremely self absorbed. Being self absorbed prevents them from realizing what's going on in their immediate surroundings, what body language they are displaying and that their parents, in fact, HAVE been there.

With these 2 facts a parent can learn more about their child then the child realizes their telling.
 
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Good point Twila. That's why you are the parent and I'm just a young punk. :D I guess I'm a sensationalist by nature.

I have a friend from China who is quite traditional and he worries about his 14 year old daughter being surrounded in the (essentially American) culture. I feel sorry for young girls who feel they need to fit this status quo propelled by celebrities like Paris Hilton to be incompetent, rich, materialistic to impress men. It is sending the wrong signal.
 
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I have a friend from China who is quite traditional and he worries about his 14 year old daughter being surrounded in the (essentially American) culture.
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your friend should worry about his daughter. It's hard for kids who have to fit into 1 culture to be accepted and have friends while being pushed by family cultures to maintain traditional ways. Your friend would do his daughter a great service by never pushing the family culture on her and american culture away from her. But simply allowing her to have both. Parents that allow children to breath and relax and have the home a safe haven are parents who have kids who maynot talk about everything but know they can should they need to.

I struggle to not freak out when my daughter talks about a friend who smokes pot or who's having sex with her boyfriend. It's hard. But I know the minute I freak out she will never tell me a thing llike that again.
 
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Twila,

Most teenagers are extremely self absorbed. Being self absorbed prevents them from realizing what's going on in their immediate surroundings, what body language they are displaying and that their parents, in fact, HAVE been there.
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It's obvious that you have a teenager. Any parent or teacher will agree with you.

I remember talking to my parents about my teenagers and they simply smile. I don't know why. I was never like that!! :) :)
 
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I struggle to not freak out when my daughter talks about a friend who smokes pot or who's having sex with her boyfriend. It's hard. But I know the minute I freak out she will never tell me a thing llike that again.
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I know what you mean, but just think, when your daughter has a daughter she will be doing the same thing.

But that is what usually happens anyways with each generation or when people have their own children.
 
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JorCON5 said:
Good point Twila. That's why you are the parent and I'm just a young punk. :D I guess I'm a sensationalist by nature.

I have a friend from China who is quite traditional and he worries about his 14 year old daughter being surrounded in the (essentially American) culture. I feel sorry for young girls who feel they need to fit this status quo propelled by celebrities like Paris Hilton to be incompetent, rich, materialistic to impress men. It is sending the wrong signal.
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I have to agree, Being a teen myself, I see the other "gangsta" people everywhere and their lives ; morals, values, iconsetc are based on those promoted by pop culture And that scares my. If that doesn't scare you, turn onto MTV when they play rap. What you see there is what the teenagers of today strive to become

P.S. I'm going to take a lot of flak from rap fans. I'm not saying that all rap is bad, just how you interpret it and to what extent it dominates your life.

P.P.S. I know that I'm gereralizing here and not all teens are like that but a large part are
 
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I'm a rap fan.....and not offended. I'm 21 and female, and I really believe that women ( who strived to not be "men's objects" ) are once again turning their own tables to gain some sort of acceptance. Don't get me wrong I'm not a feminist, I just have self respect, morals, and values.
 
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