And you have proved for me you know nothing about the 3 big religions or how they came about. Thank you and good night.
Hate Crime kills Muslim Woman who had 6 children
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Sadly you are the wrong one. They believe in the same god, Abramhemic religions. And with slight variations in all of them, and they have all borrowed from each other, they are the same. If you could point out where they are different it would be good for a nice chuckle.
You said Abraham is God, adn thats what I dissagree with...God is God.
But you are right with the rest of what you said... Accept. Some Christains and Jews...the Magjority feel Allah is infact a differant God. I am looking into what I think at the moment, so ill get back to you on that in a few weeks. But.....You said Abraham is God. he is not. Abraham is a decendet of Adam and Eve, and The first main Prophet of God, which like you said ties the 3 religions together because they follow his teachings...but each religon has a few other Prophets...like Islam has Mohhamed, and we Have Jesus...shared by both Islam and Chirstains and Jews. Mohhmaed is reclusive to Islam.
Abraham, Jesus are the main Prophets...thought all 3 have differant Views on Jesus, Christains feel Jesus Died for humanitys sins ont he cross, and is our saviour, Jews see Jesus as a prophet but is much disputed, and they dont see him as the saviour, and they still wait for the saviour to return to earth. Muslims see him as a prophet who switched himself for Judus on the cross and escaped to Heavan and didnt infact die on the cross...and then fromt hat point their ae seperate teachings a books. That amke them differant but yes Technically same God.
Abraham is not God though
Wow do you know that if you put in Hate Crime Kills Muslim woman who had 6 children, this is the number one site. No news or anything but Canadian content. Kind of scary don't you think.
Research is amusing us once again...
Sorry pal, while Islamists might want this it just will never happen. Our God is never Abraham. Try to explain this to me...
Christianity and Judaism do not believe in the same God. The Bible and the Torah have nothing to do with the Law of Islam. The Torah is 2000 years older than the Quran,the Bible is 500 years older than the Quran.
The Quran is made up of stories supposedly past down from generation to generation, even while an entire population was basically wiped out during one of their murder, rape and pillage escapades. The rest of the Quran was a bunch of odd notes, hidden under Mohammad’s bed, some 150 years after he died. Apparanently he died when he got his penis caught in some child and the child broke away, the broken unrinary tract got infected and he died mumbling…the next page Alisha…l need to write about having sex with camels…
So have your chuckle, but the Quran is never compariable with the bible or the torah, and our God is not, and never will be Allah...oh, even better, you said Abraham...tooooofunny!!!
I would like you to come up with some facts to back up these statements, but remember the timeline.
--res.
Sorry pal, while Islamists might want this it just will never happen. Our God is never Abraham. Try to explain this to me...
--res.
Christianity and Judaism do not believe in the same God. The Bible and the Torah have nothing to do with the Law of Islam. The Torah is 2000 years older than the Quran,the Bible is 500 years older than the Quran.
--res.
The Quran is made up of stories supposedly past down from generation to generation, even while an entire population was basically wiped out during one of their murder, rape and pillage escapades. The rest of the Quran was a bunch of odd notes, hidden under Mohammad’s bed, some 150 years after he died. Apparanently he died when he got his penis caught in some child and the child broke away, the broken unrinary tract got infected and he died mumbling…the next page Alisha…l need to write about having sex with camels…
So have your chuckle, but the Quran is never compariable with the bible or the torah, and our God is not, and never will be Allah...oh, even better, you said Abraham...tooooofunny!!!
I would like you to come up with some facts to back up these statements, but remember the timeline.
Ya all seem to know way more about this Abraham than I, can you elaborate northstar? Please don't make me read the bible, I really can't stand all those the thy and thous.
What kind of idiotic statement is that? For all your drivel about racists and what not, you are putting your self in the exact same league as them with statements like that.
Islam generates fasism and murdering of chrisitian women and children. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26566
Good work all of you the descendants of bloody Islam
Okay, the Abraham Story...
Abram couldn't have children with his wife Sarah, so he had a child with Hagar the Egyptian, a maid. This child was named Ishmael.
Then when Abram was 99, God came to him and told him that he was gonna be the Grand POBAH of many nations, and with his fatherhood of a son he was gonna have ta change his name to ABRAHAM.
His wife, Sari, was gonna be the Grand MOHOBA, and in this motherhood of a nation, beginning with one, she would be called Sarah. He also wanted all the males circumized to prove alliance to God.
So Sarah and Abraham had Isaac. And this was the first circumsized child of the Nations of God.
Ishmael and his mom had to leave because apparently she was giving the nasty-eye to Sarah, but God promised the kind-hearted Abraham that things would be groovy and this kid would get to have his own Nations.
Thus the ARAB states are descendants of Abram and Hagar.
The Jews, and of course the Christians, are descendants of Abraham and Sarah, and are from the Nations that are ultimately lead by God.
Abram couldn't have children with his wife Sarah, so he had a child with Hagar the Egyptian, a maid. This child was named Ishmael.
Then when Abram was 99, God came to him and told him that he was gonna be the Grand POBAH of many nations, and with his fatherhood of a son he was gonna have ta change his name to ABRAHAM.
His wife, Sari, was gonna be the Grand MOHOBA, and in this motherhood of a nation, beginning with one, she would be called Sarah. He also wanted all the males circumized to prove alliance to God.
So Sarah and Abraham had Isaac. And this was the first circumsized child of the Nations of God.
Ishmael and his mom had to leave because apparently she was giving the nasty-eye to Sarah, but God promised the kind-hearted Abraham that things would be groovy and this kid would get to have his own Nations.
Thus the ARAB states are descendants of Abram and Hagar.
The Jews, and of course the Christians, are descendants of Abraham and Sarah, and are from the Nations that are ultimately lead by God.
Well thankyou kindly northstar, so why does Researcher think the ousted half of this soap opera are the Chosen People? I say you can never trust the "Baby Sitter" or the "Maid", shifty little buggers.
Well...there some parts being left out of the story..such as this little tidbit:
The slaying marks the second time someone in the victim's family has been shot and killed in Fremont. In January 2002, Afghan community leader Rahim Ansari, 34, of Union City was shot and killed inside his business, Pamir Travel, in Little Kabul. The suspected gunman in that incident, upset over a spurned romance, also wounded Rahim Ansari's brother-in-law, Zabiullah Ansari, a second-cousin of Alia Ansari. In an interview Friday, Zabiullah Ansari, 48, expressed hope that the right person had been arrested. But he said, "They don't know what happened.
I'm just saying maybe this was just some crazy guy, and there isn't a need for the hate crime hysterics...or maybe its just not a good neighborhood...
At any rate maybe it was religiously motivated, but to say EVERYONE is racist and anti-islamic because of an occurance in Fremont, CA is ridiculous. Those losers out there in no way shape or form represent the entire United States.
The slaying marks the second time someone in the victim's family has been shot and killed in Fremont. In January 2002, Afghan community leader Rahim Ansari, 34, of Union City was shot and killed inside his business, Pamir Travel, in Little Kabul. The suspected gunman in that incident, upset over a spurned romance, also wounded Rahim Ansari's brother-in-law, Zabiullah Ansari, a second-cousin of Alia Ansari. In an interview Friday, Zabiullah Ansari, 48, expressed hope that the right person had been arrested. But he said, "They don't know what happened.
I'm just saying maybe this was just some crazy guy, and there isn't a need for the hate crime hysterics...or maybe its just not a good neighborhood...
At any rate maybe it was religiously motivated, but to say EVERYONE is racist and anti-islamic because of an occurance in Fremont, CA is ridiculous. Those losers out there in no way shape or form represent the entire United States.
Good post thomaska, there will always be an those who kill just because they can. Until I'm shown proof this was a hate crime I will reserve judgement.
You got it!!!
Any chance to complain or make a situation into an event that might evoke more sympathy for Jihad Muslims is grabbed. However, such stupidity as claiming a crime as a "HATE" crime,{ in light of every nasty plot and murder and rioting and destruction that the world has suffered from by JIHAD Muslims} does two things - one, it get's people angry about the constant whinning and deceptive statements, and two, it does all Muslims' everywhere a dis-service, because the image is being built of a bunch of whiners, and deceptive manipulators.
I am not saying that this is true, because we all know of Muslims' who are seeking to distance themselves from the JIHAD Muslim fanatics, however it is what the impact of such deceptive twists of the truth that cause an negative image that is difficult to clear up.
Any chance to complain or make a situation into an event that might evoke more sympathy for Jihad Muslims is grabbed. However, such stupidity as claiming a crime as a "HATE" crime,{ in light of every nasty plot and murder and rioting and destruction that the world has suffered from by JIHAD Muslims} does two things - one, it get's people angry about the constant whinning and deceptive statements, and two, it does all Muslims' everywhere a dis-service, because the image is being built of a bunch of whiners, and deceptive manipulators.
I am not saying that this is true, because we all know of Muslims' who are seeking to distance themselves from the JIHAD Muslim fanatics, however it is what the impact of such deceptive twists of the truth that cause an negative image that is difficult to clear up.
Here ya go, I couldnt resist...pretty hateful isn't it?
http://www.nbc4.com/news/10212025/detail.html
LAWRENCEVILLE, Ga. -- A jury Wednesday found an Ethiopian immigrant guilty of the genital mutilation of his 2-year-old daughter.
Human rights observers said they believe this is the first criminal case in the United States involving the 5,000-year-old African tradition.
Khalid Adem, 30, was convicted of aggravated battery and cruelty to children. He could get up to 40 years in prison.
Prosecutors said Adem used scissors to remove his daughter's clitoris in his family's Atlanta-area apartment in 2001. The child's mother, Fortunate Adem, said she did not discover it until more than a year later.
Female genital mutilation -- also known as female circumsion -- is practiced in some African cultures to limit sexuality and promote virginity.
"He said he wanted to preserve her virginity," Fortunate Adem testified this week. "He said it was the will of God. I became angry in my mind. I thought he was crazy."
The girl, now 7, also testified, clutching a teddy bear and saying that her father "cut me on my private part." Adem cried loudly as his daughter left the courtroom.
Testifying on his own behalf Friday, Adem said he never circumcised his daughter or asked anyone else to do so. He said he grew up in Addis Ababa, the capital of Ethiopia, and considers the practice more prevalent in rural areas.
Adem, who removed a handkerchief from his pocket and cried at one point during his testimony, was asked what he thought of someone who believes in the practice. He replied: "The word I can say is 'mind in the gutter.' He is a moron."
His lawyer, Mark Hill, acknowledged that Adem's daughter had been cut. But he implied that the family of Fortunate Adem, who immigrated from South Africa when she was 6, may have had the procedure done.
The Adems divorced in 2003, and Hill suggested that the couple's daughter was encouraged to testify against her father by her mother, who has full custody.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, using figures from the 1990 Census, estimated that 168,000 girls and women in the U.S. had undergone the procedure or were at risk of being subjected to it.
The State Department estimates that up to 130 million women worldwide had undergone circumcision as of 2001. Knives, razors or even sharp stones are usually used, according to a 2001 department report. The tools often are not sterilized, and often, many girls are circumcised at the same ceremony, leading to infection.
It is unknown how many girls have died from the procedure, either during the cutting or from infections, or years later in childbirth.
Nightmares, depression, shock and feelings of betrayal are common psychological side effects, according to the federal report.
The report estimated that 73 percent of women in Ethiopia had undergone the procedure, based on a 1997 survey.
Taina Bien-Aime, executive director of Equality Now, an international human rights group, said female circumcision is most widely practiced in a 28-country swath of Africa. She said more than 90 percent of women in Ethiopia are believed to have been subjected to the practice, and more in places like Egypt and Somalia.
"It is a preparation for marriage," Bien-Aime said. "If the girl is not circumcised, her chances of being married are very slim."
The practice crosses ethnic and cultural lines and is not tied to a particular religion. Activists say the practice is intended to deny women sexual pleasure. In its most extreme form, the clitoris and parts of the labia are removed and the labia that remain are stitched together.
"I had maybe read about it in Reader's Digest or some other journal, but not really considered it a possibility here," said Dr. Rose Badaruddin, the pediatrician for the Adems' daughter.
Many refugees from Ethiopia and Somalia come to Georgia through a federal refugee resettlement program.
"With immigration, the immigrants travel with their traditions," Bien-Aime said. "Female genital mutilation is not an exception."
Federal law specifically bans the practice, but many states do not have a law addressing it. Georgia lawmakers, with the support of Fortunate Adem, passed an anti-mutilation law last year. Khalid Adem is not being tried under that law, since it did not exist when his daughter's cutting allegedly happened.
Exactly
So, what were you saying Researcher in your very first posting?
You know, maybe someone just simply went crazy driven by fear.
I personally think, that seeing these women dressed up in black, looking at you through the narrow opening for the eyes, with the eyes of a hungry wolf or vicious jackal, and then hearing things like - "your daughter one day may have to go throught that insane staff (see above posted by Thomaska)", can really make someone go nuts, a person that went nuts is not responsible for his/her actions.
As someone said in this forum before - you don't have to take off the veil but it will help.
This phrase has a big meaning, you know.You got it!! This is brutal and barbaric...I hope Muslims everywhere at taking a hard look at this terrible practice and recognizing that it has no place in the world today...it is time to move out of the repressed middle-ages with warped ideas and values.
So this woman in Saudi gets gang raped, and all of her rapists get convicted and sentenced to varying amounts of lashes and prison terms. BUT....heres the best part...because she was alone with a man other than her husband in a car (i.e. the rapists!) she herself will recieve 90 lashes. Some of the men were actually given less lashes than she will recieve.
Well thats justice for ya. I can't believe the men got lashes at all. I mean the Sheiks are right, men just can't help themselves when those evil little pieces of meat just go around flaunting themselves in front of them..
Well thats justice for ya. I can't believe the men got lashes at all. I mean the Sheiks are right, men just can't help themselves when those evil little pieces of meat just go around flaunting themselves in front of them..