Harper's Green Plan 2 - No reduction of fossil fuels use...

athabaska

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Re: Harper's Green Plan 2 - No reduction of fossil fuels use

Bitwhys: "damned if you do
damned if you don't"

The classic weasel excuse.
 

athabaska

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Re: Harper's Green Plan 2 - No reduction of fossil fuels use

athabaska said:
Bitwhys: "damned if you do
damned if you don't"

The classic weasel excuse.

Yes, the classic weasel answer. Bluster and beat one's breat on the environment or other such issue and then show one's true spots when push comes to shove.

The NDP would not comment on the environmental impact of the production of a new muscle car. Why?

Kyoto? Here in Alberta the Camaro decision is a gift to the energy lobby on a silver platter. The symbolism screams out and will be milked for all it's worth. The East is talk, talk, talk on green hoose gas reduction until they themselves are impacted or reduction interferes with more jobs.

This was a great opportunity for the NDP or Liberals to take a stand for the environment and they sold out because they want those union votes.
 

Zzarchov

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RE: Harper's Green Plan 2 - No reduction of fossil fuels use

Science talking: The extra carbon in the atmosphere isn't man made.

Its man MINED, we dug it out of the ground. Rather than putting less in the air (ie using less fuel) which is still just walking to hell in a handbasket..only more slowly,

We need to actually put carbon BACK into the ground after we mine it. Some people actually do this, we have a major installation of this in Alberta I believe "Turning the smokestack upside down" as the tagline goes.

One plant is the equivalent of taking 1 million cars off the road for a year.

Using less energy is not the answer, thats asking to revert back the clock on technology. The Answer is the simple one, you take carbon out of the earth, put equal carbon back in the earth.
 

BitWhys

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Apr 5, 2006
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Re: Harper's Green Plan 2 - No reduction of fossil fuels use

athabaska said:
athabaska said:
Bitwhys: "damned if you do
damned if you don't"

The classic weasel excuse.

Yes, the classic weasel answer. Bluster and beat one's breat on the environment or other such issue and then show one's true spots when push comes to shove.

The NDP would not comment on the environmental impact of the production of a new muscle car. Why?

Kyoto? Here in Alberta the Camaro decision is a gift to the energy lobby on a silver platter. The symbolism screams out and will be milked for all it's worth. The East is talk, talk, talk on green hoose gas reduction until they themselves are impacted or reduction interferes with more jobs.

This was a great opportunity for the NDP or Liberals to take a stand for the environment and they sold out because they want those union votes.

the NDP position on the necessity for vehicle emission standards has already been stated quite clearly.
 

athabaska

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Dec 26, 2005
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RE: Harper's Green Plan 2 - No reduction of fossil fuels use

Who cares what the NDP 'official' position is. Just makes them bigger hypocrites when the chips are on the table. Motherhood and apple pie.

Zzarchov: " Using less energy is not the answer, thats asking to revert back the clock on technology."

The NDP would agree. The answer is to build new muscle cars in Ontario.
 

BitWhys

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Re: RE: Harper's Green Plan 2 - No reduction of fossil fuels

athabaska said:
Who cares what the NDP 'official' position is...

obviously not the likes of you.
 

Calberty

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RE: Harper's Green Plan 2 - No reduction of fossil fuels use

On the positive side this helps the Green Party. The NDP is dead federally in Alberta and Quebec and this is another stone on their grave. Against a new Liberal leader the NDP is going to fade to the low teens in support across the country and the Greens will rise to about 7%.
 

BitWhys

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Apr 5, 2006
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RE: Harper's Green Plan 2 - No reduction of fossil fuels use

I don't see how it gives the Greens an advantage. They've said as little about it as every other party.

edit: dang typos