Harper's fraying image

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RE: Harper's fraying imag

I think the gel harper uses has shrunk his small brain even further.

He is stupid if he can not see the writing on the wall... he should quit while he can still salvage some dignity.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Harper's fraying imag

Duffy is decidedly right-wing. His bias shows and he seldom has guests on from all four of the elected parties...in fact I can't recall ever seeing him have all four at once.

Newman is neutral. I wouldn't even hazard a guess at who he votes for. His show not only tries to have guests from all parties on, but he tries to moderate things so that they all get equal time.
 

Vitamin C

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Yeah I love Politics on Newsworld, and really miss it. Also TheHour is a great show.

With CBC on strike I have pretty much stopped watching TV. I guess that will change next week when hockey starts....but I definately miss my daily does of "Politics".
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Harper's fraying imag

I miss Politics, but mostly I miss the radio. The news reports tell me when it's time to turn on the TV.

I hope the lock-out is over soon. The workers have some bargaining power now, at least. They were locked out during the slow period when nothing much was going on. Now that Parliament is back in session and there have been a couple of major events around the world, the workers can point and say, "Heh, you did a crappy job covering that without us."
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Harper's fraying imag

Likely not. They might have picked up some footage shot by a freelancer for a quick story, but no major coverage. They tend not to cover protests in the US much. CBC is better than most, but they still follow the corporate agenda to a large extent. That agenda does not include protests in foreign countries. They had only minor coverage of Miami and Cancun, for instance.

On the other hand, they did cover APEC, Quebec City, Calgary, and the protests against Bush's visit to Ottawa and the east coast, so they do at least provide coverage of protests here in Canada. That puts them far ahead of our other other major media outlets and miles ahead of media outlets in the US who prefer to pretend that there is no dissent.
 

Gary

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Reverend, you just hate Americans, the Conservative party and probably right wingers too ! I've always been right wing and try combine that with common sense and have never belonged to any political party.
There are a lot of reasons why I think nothing is going to change in this country and that B.C. and Alberta are very different than people from central and eastern Canada.
You say that Harper want's to integrate our military with the U.S.
we have no choice but to work we the U.S. because we can't go anywhere without their help ! Our military has had to depend on the U.S. for many years. Harper wants the Canadian forces to be strong enough to stand on our own feet without outside help.
That's what the amphibious warships and heavy lift aircraft he was proposing before the last election was all about !
The free trade aggreement has been very good for Canada. It's created 100,000's of thousands of jobs and we currently enjoy an approx. 85 billion $ annual trade surplus with the U.S. That is declining now and were going to have more and more trade problems with the U.S. I guess all of the politicians and left wingers in this country calling Americans names and saying how much we hate them has finally caught their interest.
I like Ameicans but I do not like George W. Bush and neither do a lot of Americans. He is corrupt, interested in only his own self interest, in many ways incompetent and not much of a leader.
He has done great harm to the United States and to it's reputation around the world.
 

mrmom2

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Oh shit another Con :x We do not need to join our military with the US .We just need to give it more funds .FYI Harper would sell our country out to the corupt US in a minute .Wake up Harper would bring us to a police state in no time .I suppose you think there Arabs on every corner waiting to get you hey Gary :roll:
 

Reverend Blair

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Reverend, you just hate Americans, the Conservative party and probably right wingers too !

Hmmm...experience tells me that the first phrase is contradicted by the second phrase.

Tell ya what, Gary...I don't hate anybody. I have a decided dislike for purposeful ignorance and those that would harm others for their own personal gain though. I have little tolerance for those who would spread purposeful mistruths by spouting the same policies that we have seen fail for a quarter of a century.

I've always been right wing and try combine that with common sense

Anybody who has actually followed the antics of the right wing since the age of Reagan, Mulroney, and Thatcher instead of just buying into the rhetoric will find that common sense and right wing have been mutually exclusive terms for quite some time. Since the advent of the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives that mutual exclusivity has passed well into the realm of the farcical.

You say that Harper want's to integrate our military with the U.S.
we have no choice but to work we the U.S. because we can't go anywhere without their help ! Our military has had to depend on the U.S. for many years. Harper wants the Canadian forces to be strong enough to stand on our own feet without outside help.

Ah yes, standing on our own two feet by joining illegal wars and helping to start a new arms race.

Harper's plan was not affordable and centred on the US instead of following our pattern of multi-lateralism and peacekeeping.

The free trade aggreement has been very good for Canada. It's created 100,000's of thousands of jobs and we currently enjoy an approx. 85 billion $ annual trade surplus with the U.S. That is declining now and were going to have more and more trade problems with the U.S.

You need to some reading ansd check your numbers, Gary. Trade with the US was booming before the FTA and NAFTA too. The big difference is that now we've given up our sovereignty.

I guess all of the politicians and left wingers in this country calling Americans names and saying how much we hate them has finally caught their interest.

If that's the real problem, the the American leaders are nothing but petulant children. The reality is much more complicated than that, of course, as is the truth behind the alleged name-calling, but I guess Bill O'Reilly didn't tell you that on his show.

I like Ameicans but I do not like George W. Bush and neither do a lot of Americans. He is corrupt, interested in only his own self interest, in many ways incompetent and not much of a leader.

I like Americans just fine, including several on this very board. George Bush is far from the first corrupt and incompetent leader that US ever had though. He is likely the worst, but he's certainly not the first.
 

#juan

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First, Gary,

I'm not happy with the current state of our military but there is no way on earth I want our military "integrated" with that of the U.S.. I am also sick to death of people who intimate that we have depended on the U.S. for our protection for the last twenty years. Who did we need protection against? What our military needs is more people and some modern equipment. We don't need to match the U.S. but a country with as long a coastline as we have should have at least a credible defence force. Forget Harper. In about four months Harper weill be a back bencher.
 

Gary

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Regarding the problems in Canada
This IS a racist country
when you have segments of this country which based on their culture or where they live that get permanent special treatment ie: govt. grants, bribes, transfer payments, education, taxes, special rights and the list goes on then that is racism. To put this in perspective what if it was only english speaking white people from B.C. that were entitled to this, Naa that's not racism is it ?
The Maritimes is a good example, As long as they are dependant on permanent assistance from the tranfer payments they will have a depressed economy because there no need to try to change things. Last year when Harper mentioned this ....man did he get roasted, he even had to make an apology !
How about health care and the evils of "for profit health care"
gee...did anybody stop to think that almost all of the doctors in this country have their own private medical practices which are a form of limited company complete with leases, property, employees, writeoffs, income, expenses and yes.....profits

I could go on and on about the hypocracy we have in this country, the corruption, incompetence and arrogance in Ottawa. People from B.C. and Alberta have been trying to change things in this country for over 20 years now and it is clear that voters from other parts of the country will never accept a prime minister from out west. I guess were far to "racist" to be trusted....are'nt we ?
More and more British Columbian's and especially Albertan's are getting tired of financing and putting up with all of this.
Depending on where you go anywhere between 30% and 45% of them would vote yes to seperate from Canada and I'm one of them, that number is rising quickly.
That's pretty sad considering some of the most generous and loyal people to this great country come from there but can no longer accept what is happening and are frustrated because there is nothing we can do to change it .
 

#juan

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Spoken like a true neocon Gary

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way south.
 

#juan

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Spoken like a true neocon Gary

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way south.
 

Gary

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I said nothing about joining the U.S. or heading south or integrating our military with the U.S.
Instead of jumping to conclusions based on nothing, making accusations that don't make sense why not counter the points I made if you think are wrong ?
 

Reverend Blair

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This IS a racist country

In a lot of ways it is, but this:
when you have segments of this country which based on their culture or where they live that get permanent special treatment ie: govt. grants, bribes, transfer payments, education, taxes, special rights and the list goes on then that is racism. To put this in perspective what if it was only english speaking white people from B.C. that were entitled to this, Naa that's not racism is it ?
is a load of horse manure.

The Maritimes is a good example, As long as they are dependant on permanent assistance from the tranfer payments they will have a depressed economy because there no need to try to change things. Last year when Harper mentioned this ....man did he get roasted, he even had to make an apology !

Every attempt to change things in have-not provinces has been met with massive resistance from the west, especially Alberta.

How about health care and the evils of "for profit health care"
gee...did anybody stop to think that almost all of the doctors in this country have their own private medical practices which are a form of limited company complete with leases, property, employees, writeoffs, income, expenses and yes.....profits

That is such a misconstruation of the facts that I don't even know where to begin. No one disputes that doctors have their own private practices. That's the way it has been since medicare was introduced. That is far different than introducing a frigging mess like they have in the US where insurance companies determine whether people are entitled to adequate treatment depending on how much they can afford to pay.



I could go on and on about the hypocracy we have in this country, the corruption, incompetence and arrogance in Ottawa. People from B.C. and Alberta have been trying to change things in this country for over 20 years now and it is clear that voters from other parts of the country will never accept a prime minister from out west.

Hmmm...Kim Campbell, Joe Clark, John Diefenbaker. All Conservatives from out west. All Prime Ministers. Campbell suffered greatly from the misdeeds of Mulroney and the advent of Preston Manning and the Reform Party, but the other two fell because of their own political ineptitude. At least they managed to get elected though. Since the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives have come along, the right has adopted an extremist stance that just doesn't sell in Canada. Don't blame the fct that the majority of Canadians do not agree with your proposed policies on anything but those policies, Gary.

More and more British Columbian's and especially Albertan's are getting tired of financing and putting up with all of this.
Depending on where you go anywhere between 30% and 45% of them would vote yes to seperate from Canada and I'm one of them, that number is rising quickly.
That's pretty sad considering some of the most generous and loyal people to this great country come from there but can no longer accept what is happening and are frustrated because there is nothing we can do to change it .

There's plenty you can do to change it. The first is to recognise that you aren't being picked on because of where you live. A lot of us live in places where we are even less represented than you are. You know why? Because our populations are even lower than yours. That's democracy, Gary baby.

The second is to stop looking south for examples of what Canada should be. France doesn't look to Germany as a model and England doesn't look to France, after all. They stand alone and cooperate in ways that suit them. Their answer to disputes is not sycophancy or threats, but respect for dispute mechanisms and real diplomacy.

Wanting to change our political system so that it looks like the USA's, our healthcare system so it looks like the USA's, and out gun laws so they look like the very worst of the USA's really doesn't wash. Wanting to integrate our military and our economy with the USA's scares the crap out people. Saying that our leaders should just go along with whatever the US says makes real Canadians cringe.

Want to start a real separatist movement out west, Gary? Go ahead. You'll never hit 50% +1%. You'll be lucky to hit 30% if you include the three western provinces outside of Alberta. Meanwhile, keep on yelling and screaming and stamping your feet.
 

Gary

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First of all Reverend....I am not your baby, You'll have to look somewhere else for that.
Why don't we take the best ideas from success's around the world and use them to form our own policy ?
Whether those ideas come from Canada or somewhere else....even the United States we should look at it and form our own sulution to the problem.
There are a lot of serious problems in this country including health care, the state of our military and our competitiveness in the world economy.
Buring our heads in the sand, thinking how great we are and how bad the U.S. is will solve nothing.
 

Reverend Blair

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Why don't we take the best ideas from success's around the world and use them to form our own policy ?
Whether those ideas come from Canada or somewhere else....even the United States we should look at it and form our own sulution to the problem

So will you be voting NDP or CAP then?