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Socrates the Greek

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Harper and his conservatives can sit there and think that they are in full acomplishment of what they promisced the people. Well let me tell you my fellow Canadaians. For Harper it was a priorety to get heavely involved in Afganistan, while an election promice was to help all the victoms that were failed miserably by a blood bank that had gone wrong and sown to be incompetend. Harper promiced to all the sufering victoms if he got elected he will imidiatly get compensation on the way in order to ease the sufering these people are living with day to day. Four months have gone by and Harper is on a mission of power hungry turisem in Afganistand to show the world here is the Canadian Miletery PM while under the carpet sits the persons infected with hepatitis C from no fult of their own. Harper makes a great opportunist and a total Hypocrite.
I will do to you what I do not want done to me!





MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING

BETWEEN:

BRITISH COLUMBIA, ALBERTA, ONTARIO, and QUEBEC
REPRESENTATIVE PLAINTIFFS

And

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CANADA

PRE JANUARY 1, 1986 – POST JULY 1, 1990
HEPATITIS C TAINTED BLOOD
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING

WHEREAS:

1. Class action litigation was commenced against the Government of Canada in Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec claiming compensation for those persons infected with hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990. These class actions remain outstanding.
2. The Minister of Health of Canada announced on November 22, 2004 the Government of Canada’s intention to enter discussions on options for financial compensation for people who were infected with hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990.
3. On December 10, 2004, class action counsel agreed with counsel for the Government of Canada that all pending litigation will be adjourned sine die, to be brought back on a 30-days’ notice by either party.
4. On April 20, 2005, the House of Commons unanimously adopted a motion supporting the payment of compensation to those who were infected by hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990.
5. In furtherance of the Health Minister’s November 22, 2004 statement, discussions between class counsel and counsel for the Government of Canada have been ongoing since December 2004. The discussions have now advanced to a point where the parties can express their commitment to entering into a final agreement while continuing to negotiate, and obtain and analyze the required information, including scientific, medical and actuarial data and advice.
6. Negotiations are ongoing regarding eligibility, and structure and levels of compensation as well as other terms of an eventual settlement.
7. The parties are gathering information on those infected by hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990, including obtaining additional information from class members and their physicians, and engaging experts in order to advise on an appropriate medical model to assess the current health condition of class members and to project the likely progression of the disease of the class.
8. The parties are committed to completing the data gathering and analysis necessary to establish funding requirements for the settlement agreement as expeditiously as possible. They acknowledge that the process will require a minimum of several further months given the size of the task.

NOW THEREFORE;

9. The parties commit to entering into an agreement whereby the Government of Canada will provide compensation to persons who were infected with hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986, and from July 2, 1990 to September 28, 1998 inclusive. The eligibility for estates, dependants and family members remains subject to negotiation.
10. The compensation categories and amounts of compensation are being negotiated.
11. An administrative system will be established for the processing of claims for compensation.
12. The final settlement agreement will require the approval of the class action courts in Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec in order to further ensure that the settlement agreement is fair, reasonable and in the best interests of the class and to bring closure to these matters.
13. This Memorandum of Understanding is without admission of any liability in the underlying litigation between the parties.
14. The settlement agreement will be without admission of legal liability. The Government of Canada will not be liable to provide any further funds for compensation except as agreed to in the settlement agreement as approved by the class action courts.
15. This Memorandum of Understanding forms the basis for further negotiations. The enumeration of subjects in this document is not intended to limit subsequent discussions to those matters.
16. This Memorandum of Understanding may be executed in any number of counterparts, each of which will be deemed to be an original and all of which together will be deemed to constitute one and the same Agreement.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF the Parties have executed this Memorandum of Understanding.

Signed, Sealed and Delivered:


THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CANADA



Date: By: Original signed by
Paul Vickery
Senior General Counsel
Department of Justice


SHIRLEY ADRIAN ET AL.



Date: By: Original signed by
Kolthammer Batchelor Laidlaw, LLP
Docken and Company
Marshall Attorneys
Counsel to Shirley Adrian et al.
In the Alberta Class Action


DEBORAH LUTZ



Date: By: Original signed by
Klein Lyons
Counsel to Deborah Lutz
In the British Columbia Class Action


MICHAEL MCCARTHY



Date: By: Original signed by
Roy Elliott Kim O’Connor, LLP
Counsel to Michael McCarthy
In the Ontario Class Action


GUY DESJARDINS/JEAN ROCHON



Date: By: Original signed by
Lauzon Belanger, s.e.n.c.r.l.
Counsel to Guy Desjardins and Jean Rochon
In the Quebec Class Action :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
 

bluealberta

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Socrates the Greek said:
Harper and his conservatives can sit there and think that they are in full acomplishment of what they promisced the people. Well let me tell you my fellow Canadaians. For Harper it was a priorety to get heavely involved in Afganistan, while an election promice was to help all the victoms that were failed miserably by a blood bank that had gone wrong and sown to be incompetend. Harper promiced to all the sufering victoms if he got elected he will imidiatly get compensation on the way in order to ease the sufering these people are living with day to day. Four months have gone by and Harper is on a mission of power hungry turisem in Afganistand to show the world here is the Canadian Miletery PM while under the carpet sits the persons infected with hepatitis C from no fult of their own. Harper makes a great opportunist and a total Hypocrite.
I will do to you what I do not want done to me!

I think you need some patience and a spell checker, my friend.





MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING

BETWEEN:

BRITISH COLUMBIA, ALBERTA, ONTARIO, and QUEBEC
REPRESENTATIVE PLAINTIFFS

And

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CANADA

PRE JANUARY 1, 1986 – POST JULY 1, 1990
HEPATITIS C TAINTED BLOOD
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING

WHEREAS:

1. Class action litigation was commenced against the Government of Canada in Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec claiming compensation for those persons infected with hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990. These class actions remain outstanding.
2. The Minister of Health of Canada announced on November 22, 2004 the Government of Canada’s intention to enter discussions on options for financial compensation for people who were infected with hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990.
3. On December 10, 2004, class action counsel agreed with counsel for the Government of Canada that all pending litigation will be adjourned sine die, to be brought back on a 30-days’ notice by either party.
4. On April 20, 2005, the House of Commons unanimously adopted a motion supporting the payment of compensation to those who were infected by hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990.
5. In furtherance of the Health Minister’s November 22, 2004 statement, discussions between class counsel and counsel for the Government of Canada have been ongoing since December 2004. The discussions have now advanced to a point where the parties can express their commitment to entering into a final agreement while continuing to negotiate, and obtain and analyze the required information, including scientific, medical and actuarial data and advice.
6. Negotiations are ongoing regarding eligibility, and structure and levels of compensation as well as other terms of an eventual settlement.
7. The parties are gathering information on those infected by hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990, including obtaining additional information from class members and their physicians, and engaging experts in order to advise on an appropriate medical model to assess the current health condition of class members and to project the likely progression of the disease of the class.
8. The parties are committed to completing the data gathering and analysis necessary to establish funding requirements for the settlement agreement as expeditiously as possible. They acknowledge that the process will require a minimum of several further months given the size of the task.

NOW THEREFORE;

9. The parties commit to entering into an agreement whereby the Government of Canada will provide compensation to persons who were infected with hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986, and from July 2, 1990 to September 28, 1998 inclusive. The eligibility for estates, dependants and family members remains subject to negotiation.
10. The compensation categories and amounts of compensation are being negotiated.
11. An administrative system will be established for the processing of claims for compensation.
12. The final settlement agreement will require the approval of the class action courts in Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec in order to further ensure that the settlement agreement is fair, reasonable and in the best interests of the class and to bring closure to these matters.
13. This Memorandum of Understanding is without admission of any liability in the underlying litigation between the parties.
14. The settlement agreement will be without admission of legal liability. The Government of Canada will not be liable to provide any further funds for compensation except as agreed to in the settlement agreement as approved by the class action courts.
15. This Memorandum of Understanding forms the basis for further negotiations. The enumeration of subjects in this document is not intended to limit subsequent discussions to those matters.
16. This Memorandum of Understanding may be executed in any number of counterparts, each of which will be deemed to be an original and all of which together will be deemed to constitute one and the same Agreement.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF the Parties have executed this Memorandum of Understanding.

Signed, Sealed and Delivered:


THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CANADA



Date: By: Original signed by
Paul Vickery
Senior General Counsel
Department of Justice


SHIRLEY ADRIAN ET AL.



Date: By: Original signed by
Kolthammer Batchelor Laidlaw, LLP
Docken and Company
Marshall Attorneys
Counsel to Shirley Adrian et al.
In the Alberta Class Action


DEBORAH LUTZ



Date: By: Original signed by
Klein Lyons
Counsel to Deborah Lutz
In the British Columbia Class Action


MICHAEL MCCARTHY



Date: By: Original signed by
Roy Elliott Kim O’Connor, LLP
Counsel to Michael McCarthy
In the Ontario Class Action


GUY DESJARDINS/JEAN ROCHON



Date: By: Original signed by
Lauzon Belanger, s.e.n.c.r.l.
Counsel to Guy Desjardins and Jean Rochon
In the Quebec Class Action :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
 

Socrates the Greek

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bluealberta said:
I think you need some patience and a spell checker, my friend.

bluealberta, we rush to make a point and we make many typo mistakes. Many people on leading positions are heaving a tuff time with grammatical savvy. I am just a regular guy who speaks two languages, never claimed I have conquered spelling or grammar, but in the last 45 years I have been in the west I am happy with my patience and progress.
 

bluealberta

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Socrates the Greek said:
bluealberta said:
I think you need some patience and a spell checker, my friend.

bluealberta, we rush to make a point and we make many typo mistakes. Many people on leading positions are heaving a tuff time with grammatical savvy. I am just a regular guy who speaks two languages, never claimed I have conquered spelling or grammar, but in the last 45 years I have been in the west I am happy with my patience and progress.

Sorry, it is also hard to inject humor sometimes into plain words. Speaking two languages is one better than me, although my high school french gets a workout occasionally, with mixed success!!

However, I will seriously urge patience when considering Harper, he very much strikes me as a man moving towards a point, as opposed to simply reacting to daily things. He has a destination, and personally, I like going along for the ride with him......so far.
 

Socrates the Greek

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bluealberta said:
Socrates the Greek said:
bluealberta said:
I think you need some patience and a spell checker, my friend.

bluealberta, we rush to make a point and we make many typo mistakes. Many people on leading positions are heaving a tuff time with grammatical savvy. I am just a regular guy who speaks two languages, never claimed I have conquered spelling or grammar, but in the last 45 years I have been in the west I am happy with my patience and progress.

Sorry, it is also hard to inject humor sometimes into plain words. Speaking two languages is one better than me, although my high school french gets a workout occasionally, with mixed success!!

However, I will seriously urge patience when considering Harper, he very much strikes me as a man moving towards a point, as opposed to simply reacting to daily things. He has a destination, and personally, I like going along for the ride with him......so far.

bluealberta that is why Canada is a great land, because you have the right to go for that ride, only time will tell and then history will be made once again on what ever outcome. Enjoy the ride I hope it will be OK.
 

darkbeaver

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The absolute faith that many conservatives have about the direction Canada is takeing is a frightening thing to behold, that we no doubt are moving body and soul to deep integration with Great Satan,worrys them not at all, there are none so blind, none so deaf, none so dumb.
Rule by facsist corportocracy seems to represent nirvana to them. Militarism seems to mean secure leadership. Religion seems to represent the final perfection. This won't be good for Canadians, it's never been good for anybody at anytime. Harper is very deeply in love with the American dream and we'll all pay for that lust of power.He's the most dangerous politician Canada has ever had.
 

MagnoliaApples

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Honestly, i'm not sure about Harper. For some reason I don't trust the guy. I think he is too much in President Bush's pocket and wanting to turn Canada into a mini America.
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Harper

darkbeaver said:
The absolute faith that many conservatives have about the direction Canada is takeing is a frightening thing to behold, that we no doubt are moving body and soul to deep integration with Great Satan,worrys them not at all, there are none so blind, none so deaf, none so dumb.
Rule by facsist corportocracy seems to represent nirvana to them. Militarism seems to mean secure leadership. Religion seems to represent the final perfection. This won't be good for Canadians, it's never been good for anybody at anytime. Harper is very deeply in love with the American dream and we'll all pay for that lust of power.He's the most dangerous politician Canada has ever had.

With respect, Beav, what the hell are you talking about?

Are you afraid that Harper actually has a direction, unlike his late, unlamented predecessors as PM? Are you afraid that he will actually do what he campaigned on? Have you found the hidden agenda yet? Better yet, have former Conservatives Brison, Martin, and Stronach divulged the hidden agenda? If not, why?

Are you afraid that Canadians may actually be proud to have an effective, properly funded and equippped military, as opposed to the disaster of Chretien and Martin? Are you afraid that Harper may actually try to be friendly with our biggest trading partner, and whose support, both financially and militarily, is quite important to Canada? Are you afraid because Harper ends each and every speech with "God bless Canada", and if so, why? If as you say we are following the US, should he not be saying "God bless the USA", instead? BTW, saying God Bless Canada does not have a religious significance, so put your little mind at rest on that issue.

Or are all you lefties totally afraid that Harper may actually be right (something we on the right knew all along), thus destroying each and every argument you have regarding the supposedly scarey right wing.

Have you on the left learned nothing in the last couple of years? No longer can you simply spout out vitriol and lies, because Harper is proving to one and all that you are wrong. Or maybe you would prefer to have a lying, cheating, stealing and totally corrupt government like we have had for the past 13 years, less four months. If so, there is no hope for you and yours.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Re: RE: Harper

darkbeaver said:
The absolute faith that many conservatives have about the direction Canada is takeing is a frightening thing to behold, that we no doubt are moving body and soul to deep integration with Great Satan,worrys them not at all, there are none so blind, none so deaf, none so dumb.
Rule by facsist corportocracy seems to represent nirvana to them. Militarism seems to mean secure leadership. Religion seems to represent the final perfection. This won't be good for Canadians, it's never been good for anybody at anytime. Harper is very deeply in love with the American dream and we'll all pay for that lust of po wer.He's the most dangerous politician Canada has ever had.

Darkbeaver, literary savvy I see. Today with the turn of events in terms of resistance against the western imperialistic ideals, the opposition being the extreme religious right wing that are determent to see Islam dictate to the world ecclesiastic fundamentals, are enemies amongst all of the North American population. They live here in North America under false identities which bring to mind Canada especially has AlQueda cells with in our Country and having these cells here makes Canada very venerable. We follow Bush around the world with a foreign policy covered in blood while with in our country the enemy is working out the details of a catastrophic assault that will change Canada for ever if it happened. We must never take this fact for granted that we are free from such harm.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Re: RE: Harper

MagnoliaApples said:
Honestly, i'm not sure about Harper. For some reason I don't trust the guy. I think he is too much in President Bush's pocket and wanting to turn Canada into a mini America.

MagnoliaApples it is interesting to see how throughout the Canadian PM History traditionally it shows that the Tories here in Canada and the Republicans in the US love power so much they end up power drunk while they hold each others hand.

And that is my worry as I am sure many other Canadians and Americans feel the same way. Julius Caesar in modern times. Very scary times.
 

Lineman

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Re: RE: Harper

MagnoliaApples said:
Honestly, i'm not sure about Harper. For some reason I don't trust the guy. I think he is too much in President Bush's pocket and wanting to turn Canada into a mini America.
Regardless of who is in power on either side of the border Canada will always be influenced by the United States. Our economies and heritage are so historically tied we presently have little choice to do otherwise. Though our politics at times can be somewhat more independent it would be very difficult to not be similar to the US.

Prime Minister Harper's government is more cooperative with the US but this does not mean he is giving away the farm. There are issues that have languished on the table for years between the two countries and he's trying to solve them for our mutal benefit. Negotiations are always a proces of give and take, win some lose some. He has been PM for about 4 months, why not hold judgement and just monitor what is happening. Hey we gave the Liberals thirteen years and billions in wasted dollars before they were turfed, can we not give the Conservatives at least a couple of years to see if they fare better or worse?
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Harper

Lineman said:
MagnoliaApples said:
Honestly, i'm not sure about Harper. For some reason I don't trust the guy. I think he is too much in President Bush's pocket and wanting to turn Canada into a mini America.
Regardless of who is in power on either side of the border Canada will always be influenced by the United States. Our economies and heritage are so historically tied we presently have little choice to do otherwise. Though our politics at times can be somewhat more independent it would be very difficult to not be similar to the US.

Prime Minister Harper's government is more cooperative with the US but this does not mean he is giving away the farm. There are issues that have languished on the table for years between the two countries and he's trying to solve them for our mutal benefit. Negotiations are always a proces of give and take, win some lose some. He has been PM for about 4 months, why not hold judgement and just monitor what is happening. Hey we gave the Liberals thirteen years and billions in wasted dollars before they were turfed, can we not give the Conservatives at least a couple of years to see if they fare better or worse?

Here here. Absolutely, give the man a chance, and give his government a chance. To do anything else is out of line, IMO.
 

Jo Canadian

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