Harper Partisan Politics

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After meeting Premier Dalton McGuinty for barely 45 minutes last evening, Prime Minister Stephen Harper stepped from his hotel room in downtown Toronto to the adjacent convention centre to attend a provincial Conservative fundraising dinner.

At the $750-a-plate dinner, he introduced the main speaker, Ontario Conservative Leader John Tory, the man who will try to unseat McGuinty in next year's provincial election.

Harper called Tory "the next premier of Ontario" and declared: "Ontario needs John Tory because a strong Canada needs a strong Ontario and because John Tory is a nation builder."

Queen's Park veterans cannot recall a previous prime minister attending such a partisan provincial event, least not having a speaking role in it.

To the best of their recollection, Pierre Trudeau, John Turner, Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin did not attend provincial Liberal fundraisers in this province, nor did Joe Clark or Brian Mulroney go to provincial Conservative fundraisers.

"What it tells you is that this is the most partisan prime minister we have seen in many years," said one seasoned Queen's Park MPP.

Nor can the juxtaposition of Harper's brief meeting with McGuinty and his attendance at the Conservative fundraiser have been accidental.

McGuinty has been trying for three months to get this meeting; it was Harper who stipulated that it take place just before the Conservative fundraiser last night — and, indeed, next door to it.

This is a prime minister who understands the power of symbolism, if his focus last week on half-mast flags and such is any guide.

So Harper was apparently sending McGuinty a message: I don't like dealing with you and Tory is my choice to replace you.

And Tory is returning the favour.

In the Legislature this week, Tory sang the praises of Harper's first budget with its "29 separate forms of tax relief" and demanded to know why the provincial Liberals weren't following suit.

To which McGuinty replied that Ontario first needs the Harper government to deliver on its promise to fix the country's "fiscal imbalance" and give this province its "fair share" of federal funding. McGuinty invited Tory to join him in pressing Harper and the federal government on this point.

Outside the Legislature, Tory fumed that McGuinty was blaming all Ontario's problems on Harper and subjecting the newly elected prime minister to "an environment of heckling and bickering and criticism."

And Tory devoted much of his keynote speech last night to this same theme.

Tory accused McGuinty and the provincial Liberals of "attacking the government of Canada in a highly partisan way," and added: "It seems that these days, if anything goes wrong anywhere in Ontario, there is a McGuinty cabinet minister not far behind, blaming Ottawa."

Tory also praised Harper for "giving us all an example that with discipline, determination and honesty, it is possible to change the culture of government in a very short time."

This is a dangerous strategy for Tory.

He is effectively hitching his star to a prime minister who is riding high right now. But what about a year from now, when Tory is in the verge of fighting his first provincial election campaign as party leader?

The shine may well be off Harper by then, if the fix of the fiscal imbalance is to Ontario's disadvantage or gasoline prices continue to rise or the high dollar is still killing manufacturing jobs in Ontario or the death toll of Canadian troops in Afghanistan is growing exponentially, or a combination of all of the above.

Clearly McGuinty relishes the idea of running an election campaign against the federal Conservative government and of linking Tory to Harper.

McGuinty almost seemed to be practising his campaign lines yesterday in the Legislature, as the Conservatives continued to badger him over his failure to "build bridges" with Ottawa and other provinces on the fiscal imbalance issue.

Said McGuinty: "I'm just not going to apologize for standing up for Ontario."

The line drew sustained applause from the Liberals benches while the Conservatives sat glowering.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...061&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467
 

Jersay

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I hope this bites him in the ass because if he only works with Premiers that are conservative or lean to the right, he is against the majority of people of Canada and I hope it gets him and all the con premiers that try to attach himself to.
 

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Jersay said:
I hope this bites him in the ass because if he only works with Premiers that are conservative or lean to the right, he is against the majority of people of Canada and I hope it gets him and all the con premiers that try to attach himself to.

Wishful thinking, Jersay. The conservative trend across the country is a reality. Ontario would do well to jump on the bandwagon or risk getting left behind.
 

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bluealberta, ummm, yeah if Harper has two braincells to rub together he would see his future magority needs seats from Ontario. If he goes against the grain (Ontario), and losses the support he has here in Ontario he will not even win a minority government next election. In turn if he pisses off Ontario and Ontario votes in mass for the Liberals next election.... Well thats in itself is enough to pretty much give the Liberals a magority and at least a minority.
 

FiveParadox

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Hear, hear, Grit86!

...et bienvenue à Canadian Content. Should you ever need assistance, I would be happy to help you through private messages; or, you can contact one of the Administrators or Moderators (none of whom bite — at a rate high enough to warrant mention, anyway). Hope to see you around!
 

elevennevele

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bluealberta said:
Jersay said:
I hope this bites him in the ass because if he only works with Premiers that are conservative or lean to the right, he is against the majority of people of Canada and I hope it gets him and all the con premiers that try to attach himself to.

Wishful thinking, Jersay. The conservative trend across the country is a reality. Ontario would do well to jump on the bandwagon or risk getting left behind.


Does this mean you support this type of politics for Canada? I have no idea why anyone would think this type of politics is good for Canada. Down south, they don’t call Bush the great divider for nothing and this is playing politics much the same way. Your either with him, or against him. It’s the politics of absolutes.

Canada is about diversity. We will be the biggest fools to have a political landscape where lines have to be drawn everywhere and a person has to be either on one side of that line or the other. I suddenly find myself in a country where we can’t support different things, ideas, people on different sides.

It affirms again why my personal opinion is that Harper is a scumbag. You can say he is trying to be tactical but there are many ways of being tactical. This way is a scumbag way and again all consistent with what I’ve seen of Harper.

He could simply do things that shows he cares about the welfare of the nation and build support on that basis. Rather he spends a lot of effort searching to gain more power as a Prime Minister. And I don’t feel at all easy having a PM that craves power in such a way that he looks down on aspects of our nation, or different groups of people that make up our nation because they get in the way of his personal ideologies, and his drive for power.
 

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Canada is about diversity. We will be the biggest fools to have a political landscape where lines have to be drawn everywhere and a person has to be either on one side of that line or the other. I suddenly find myself in a country where we can’t support different things, ideas, people on different sides.

Thank God for Harper and the Conservatives.

I was so GD tired of living in a nation with NO lines......where the worst terrorist group in the wiorld was all OKAY because some of their supporters voted Liberal. (the Tamil Tigers)

A nation where the government coddles a family of terrorist supporters...........folks who consistently put down Canada while our PM first intervenes to have the patriarch (a terrorist murderer) released in Pakistan, and then works for one son imprisoned by the USA, while bringing the family BACK into Canada to treat another son injured in a murderous attack on our allies. (the Khadrs)

A country that constantly poked our democratic neighbour in the eye with a stick, while the PM made annual ass-kissing trips to Beijing.

A country where the governing party basically turned over the party apparatus in our second-largest province to the mob, for God's sake.

And on and on.....

There needs to be lines.......
 

elevennevele

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An appreciation for a country of diversity is another reason why I don’t care for political parties merging and the last thing I would want is a two party system. How can all the uniqueness of our diverse nation be captured in just a choice of two opposing sides?

What if I wanted to vote conservative, but a “moderate conservative party”? Now I no longer have that choice. The moderates merged with the far right and now the leader of that far right supposedly defines the whole. Given Harpers actions, he doesn’t seem to see his support base being a mesh of different conservative values. It seems as though in his mind, the way conservatives think should be his way and no other (eg. restrictions on his cabinet ministers).

It is through different parties that different people get some form of representation. That minorities, or those with different beliefs, ideas find a voice. That can’t be done with two parties.

So it is with great trepidation that I hope the voice of Canada never becomes muzzled under the one party control of Harper gaining a majority. A person who continually appears to govern this diverse Canada with contempt.
 

Colpy

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WOW!

You think Harper is "far right"?

It is to laugh.

All the political parties in our Parliament, from the right (Conservative) to the left (NDP) are jammed into the middle of the political spectrum.

Harper supports a system of public healthcare, a social safety net, a reasonably liberal immigration system, and a mass of other programs that are hardly "far-right". He may be to the right of the other parties, but not by much.

A shame you, and so many other Canadians, have swallowed whole the smear campaign launched against Reform, the Canadian Alliance, and now the Conservatives by the corrupt Liberal Party of Canada.

And you still hold to it, even after all the evidence to the contrary.

Where, I ask, is the "hidden agenda"?

How has the Conservative move into power seriously affected your life?

What is different, in the negative sense, in your experience as a Canadian?

Anything? I doubt it.
 

elevennevele

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Re: RE: Harper Partisan Politics

Colpy, if you take a seat with the far right, then everything from your point of view will seem like it's from the center.
 

Jay

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bluealberta, ummm, yeah if Harper has two braincells to rub together he would see his future magority needs seats from Ontario. If he goes against the grain (Ontario), and losses the support he has here in Ontario he will not even win a minority government next election. In turn if he pisses off Ontario and Ontario votes in mass for the Liberals next election.... Well thats in itself is enough to pretty much give the Liberals a magority and at least a minority.

Do you really think Ontario is on side with McGuinty? They aren't.
 

elevennevele

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Re: RE: Harper Partisan Politics

Colpy said:
WOW!

You think Harper is "far right"?

It is to laugh.

All the political parties in our Parliament, from the right (Conservative) to the left (NDP) are jammed into the middle of the political spectrum.

Harper supports a system of public healthcare, a social safety net, a reasonably liberal immigration system, and a mass of other programs that are hardly "far-right". He may be to the right of the other parties, but not by much.


How is Harper on the far right? How does Harper have a more hidden agenda?

I believe Harper supports more privatization of the healthcare system. Harper has made numerous statements that show contempt to our social safety net. He gave a speech to a right wing think tank from the USA showing such contempt.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...1213/elxn_harper_speech_text_051214/20051214/

Harper: First, facts about Canada. Canada is a Northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term, and very proud of it. Canadians make no connection between the fact that they are a Northern European welfare state and the fact that we have very low economic growth, a standard of living substantially lower than yours, a massive brain drain of young professionals to your country, and double the unemployment rate of the United States.

In terms of the unemployed, of which we have over a million-and-a-half, don't feel particularly bad for many of these people. They don't feel bad about it themselves, as long as they're receiving generous social assistance and unemployment insurance.

His idea of immigration I felt was pretty heavy handed in the deportation of the Portuguese families that have lived here over 6 years with homes and children who have lived here for much of their lives. The reasonable thing would have been to dealt with each family on the uniqueness of each case and I think some of them were due for some sort of amnesty by the more moderate government that preceded Harper.

Much the same, he wants to introduce a parliamentary style judicial system. Rather than allow the courts to act with discretion on each unique case.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/realitycheck/20060406gray.html

For what it's worth, at a police conference in Calgary this week a former police chief was asked his view on the direction of Canadian public policy on law and punishment. He said he was appalled. It would be, he said, "a move toward the American model of criminal justice and I think that's a big mistake."

The officer in question should know what he is talking about. He was Norm Stamper, former police chief of Seattle.

He muzzles his ministers, he tries to control the media, he puts his ideology over consitutional rights that should be on the basis of equality as in the legal case of gay marriage.

He wishes to put clauses on the accountability act that allows his government to keep information from the public secret and even indefinite. Issues pertaining to that of whistle blowing or accounting fraud.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=b878e70c-8428-4c17-9744-8f4d25dee311&k=62076

"No previous government, since the Access to Information Act came into force in 1983, has put forward a more retrograde and dangerous set of proposals," Information Commissioner John Reid told Parliament Friday.

Draft internal reports and audits would also be shielded from scrutiny for 15 years and records relating to investigations of wrongdoing in government would be sealed forever.

He seems to want to deal with problems in the world on a more pro-military basis rather than exhaust more diplomatic solutions.

By campaigning on one set of promises and then doing the opposite, he showed us all that he hid his true intentions. That he continues to hide his agenda.

And it goes on and on and on and all of which are issues can be tacked onto the man himself and it’s affecting everyone of us as we speak.
 

Jay

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Colpy said:
WOW!

You think Harper is "far right"?

It is to laugh.


Isolationist welfare state supporters commenting about the "far right". The center is far right to these people.
 

FiveParadox

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Hear, hear, elevennevele!

On the issue of the alignment of the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P., the Member for Calgary Southwest and the Prime MInister of Canada, I would suggest that Mr. Harper could quite honestly be deemed to be "far right", in terms of the Canadian political landscape.

Nonetheless, I am unable to support Mr. Harper at this time; he, and other members of the Government of Canada, have shown contempt for the Parliament of Canada, and even gone so far so as to launch insults and attacks on the Supreme Court of Canada and, in particular, the Right Honourable Beverly McLachlin, P.C., the Chief Justice of Canada. He has shredded up the Kelowna Accord, against the advice and without the consent of the Honourable Gordon Campbell, M.L.A., the Member for Vancouver—Point Grey and the Premier of the Province of British Columbia — he received a unanimous standing ovation in the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, when he called on the Prime Minister to restore the accord in its entirety.
 

Jersay

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And that is why Harper will be out by Christmas and it will be another 12 years before another Con gets in.

But then we have another problem. How to get rid of the Libs.
 

BitWhys

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Colpy said:
...Where, I ask, is the "hidden agenda"?...

I don't think its hidden at all. In fact to me its pretty obvious. Strip programs off promising to replace them with more efficient mechanisms later then experience a revenue crisis brought on by market mechanisms beyond government's control so they don't have to really do anything.

Why bother hiding it?
 

BitWhys

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And that is why Harper will be out by Christmas and it will be another 12 years before another Con gets in.

But then we have another problem. How to get rid of the Libs.

nah

the PQ will float the Update. Harper will call an election before the 2007 Budget looking for a morals-based mandate since he'll have already shot his financial wad.
 

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FiveParadox said:
On the issue of the alignment of the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P., the Member for Calgary Southwest and the Prime MInister of Canada, I would suggest that Mr. Harper could quite honestly be deemed to be "far right", in terms of the Canadian political landscape.

Yes, in terms of the Canadian political landscape, which is, fortunately, liberal beyond doubt.

If a true "far right" conservative (ie: a US Republican) dared to run here, he'd be left howling in the prairies among the coyotes.