Harper has no respect for the fallen soldiers!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Harper has no respect

Interesting thread....

me thinks that if people can't agree on whether to lower the flag or keep it raised, then stick with what was done before the issue became an issue.

As for the unanimous decision in parliament to lower the flag for the navy officer... was it just for that officer or was it a decision to lower the flag for every officer/soldier thereafter?

The media... geez. If the media thinks it is so important for them to cover this, I certainly hope that it will still be important for them 100, 200, 300+ days from now. Nothing like media frenzy over the first few casualties and then when the Nth casualty comes home... no media coverage at all. Is this Nth casualty somehow less important than the first few?

 

[cortezzz]

the people are real
the flag is not

 

[bluealberta]

Still have to wonder why the Libs did not lower the flag when a Sea King crashed and killed armed forces. Ah, not really.

I just wanted to post this in rebuttal to a previous post about how some of us on the right are perceived to support the CPC no matter what. Seems like we both should not throw stone, no?

 

[Jersay]

You guys are making me sick. Now I have read the Queen's Regulations and orders like Mogz said, and it has what he posted. Now I think military heritage and tradition should evolve over time like everything else, but that is for another time if it is in the text then it should be followed.

However, the ones who support the Harper plan, and the ones that support (whatever), what are you doing? Your not helping the families of the lost ones. Your not helping military members who might come home wounded or killed and will need your support.

Your just politically infighting, worst than the political parties, at least they have some respect for eachother, some times at least.

Now the only people who matter in this 'theory' are the families, and the military I feel. Since I am going down for the man who died from Victoria. And some others from the unit.

However, so far from what I have heard from news reports done from the families, all 15 who have lost loved ones.

0 for Harper

15 against

 

[Socrates the Greek]

So long as we're playing "blame the other party", let's not forget that despite the fact that the previous lowerings of the National Flag were conducted under the previous Government of Canada, the motion to do so was adopted unanimously — and was proposed by a Conservative Member of Parliament.

Good for you Paradox!

 

[Lineman]

Re: RE: Harper has no respect for the fallen soldiers!!!!!!!

the people are real
the flag is not

Best post in the whole thread! Get a grip people

 

[jimmoyer]

There is no need to broadcast on TV every funeral,
every tear shed.

We can all figure this out on our own without
being voyeurs.

Do we need some vicarious visual reality ?

Do we ?

We can let these funerals be done in quiet and
privacy, can't we.

Is it about us, our needs?

And the flag going up and down and up and down
is the least of our concerns.

 

[Finder]

jimmoyer, very true. I think however just lowering the flag would have kept everyone happy in the end and nobody would have noticed that we actually don't have to.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: RE: Harper has no respect for the fallen soldiers!!!!!!!

the people are real
the flag is not

Best post in the whole thread! Get a grip people

Are you both kidding us? The flag is your identity, unless you are one of the type that would burn the flag and steal some ones vote, and through Democracy to the Lions like you have just done, telling the masses that your national identity is not the flag is people. Get a grip. In the world stage your identity is the flag of the country you reside in, anything else is Harpocorn propaganda of the far right.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

RE: Harper has no respect

The vote with Emerson, the flag not to be lowered, the media restriction, the removal of the ethics commissioner sends Democracy to the Lions on Harpers political report card. Like it or not perception is reality, and reality is calling it like it is. Miscalling the truth is self serving and Harper is hypocritically taking the road to self-righteousness.

 

[bluealberta]

Like it or not perception is reality, and reality is calling it like it is.

If there is anything wrong with Canadian politics, this statement is it. Perception can be bent and shaped by outside forces (including, but certainly not limited to the media), but reality is not perception. This kind of thinking is what causes most of the problems in the country. For instance, the perception of Harper by some was that he would round up gays and minorities of all kinds and quarantine them, thus creating unfounded scare tactics based only on perception, not facts and reality.

Perception is just that, and reality has its basis in facts.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Like it or not perception is reality, and reality is calling it like it is.

If there is anything wrong with Canadian politics, this statement is it. Perception can be bent and shaped by outside forces (including, but certainly not limited to the media), but reality is not perception. This kind of thinking is what causes most of the problems in the country. For instance, the perception of Harper by some was that he would round up gays and minorities of all kinds and quarantine them, thus creating unfounded scare tactics based only on perception, not facts and reality.

Perception is just that, and reality has its basis in facts.

perception (AWARENESS)
an awareness of things through the physical senses, esp. sight

perceptive
If someone is perceptive, they notice and understand things that many other people do not notice:

You can not get in more real then that, and that is the reality. :lol: :wink:

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: Harper has no respect for the fallen soldiers!!!!!!!

the people are real
the flag is not

The Flag is as real as the men and women who wear it on their Military uniforms defending this Country, it's as real as the Soldiers it covers to honor thier courage and sacrifice.

You must be a Flag Burner. :roll:

 

[bluealberta]

Like it or not perception is reality, and reality is calling it like it is.

If there is anything wrong with Canadian politics, this statement is it. Perception can be bent and shaped by outside forces (including, but certainly not limited to the media), but reality is not perception. This kind of thinking is what causes most of the problems in the country. For instance, the perception of Harper by some was that he would round up gays and minorities of all kinds and quarantine them, thus creating unfounded scare tactics based only on perception, not facts and reality.

Perception is just that, and reality has its basis in facts.

perception (AWARENESS)
an awareness of things through the physical senses, esp. sight

perceptive
If someone is perceptive, they notice and understand things that many other people do not notice:

You can not get in more real then that, and that is the reality. :lol: :wink:

The trouble is, a lot of people buy into perception as it is presented to them by outside forces, without doing any research of their own. They take what others perceive to be the truth without bothering to check things out. Often times, the reality of a situation is much different that the perception of a situation, especially in this era of 15 second sound bites. Sometimes statements are taken totally out of context, and presented as something which feeds a perception but has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.

 

[BigB]

Harper does not want Canadians to see our soldiers coming back dead. The reason for this is that many more will be coming back in the future. From where? Iran! When this guy gets his majority from all these stupid people, he will officially become "JR BUSH". I travel in to the U.S.A frequently. These people that were once all behind Bush are now living in regret. This will be the case here in Canada. Mulroney sold people on his great agenda and then sold us right out to our neighbors(get used to that spelling). Most Americans I talk to believe we will be the 51st state in 15-20 years.In Harper we trust! Go Safari Boy Go! :twisted: :?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Like it or not perception is reality, and reality is calling it like it is.

If there is anything wrong with Canadian politics, this statement is it. Perception can be bent and shaped by outside forces (including, but certainly not limited to the media), but reality is not perception. This kind of thinking is what causes most of the problems in the country. For instance, the perception of Harper by some was that he would round up gays and minorities of all kinds and quarantine them, thus creating unfounded scare tactics based only on perception, not facts and reality.

Perception is just that, and reality has its basis in facts.

perception (AWARENESS)
an awareness of things through the physical senses, esp. sight

perceptive
If someone is perceptive, they notice and understand things that many other people do not notice:

You can not get in more real then that, and that is the reality. :lol: :wink:

The trouble is, a lot of people buy into perception as it is presented to them by outside forces, without doing any research of their own. They take what others perceive to be the truth without bothering to check things out. Often times, the reality of a situation is much different that the perception of a situation, especially in this era of 15 second sound bites. Sometimes statements are taken totally out of context, and presented as something which feeds a perception but has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.

Much like Harper has done. Look no pun intended but when self interest gets in the way the whole thing starts to reek with hypocrisy while perception takes the back seat. People may perceive the wrong reality at times which is mostly attributed to Government doing a stupid job in informing people of the real truth, not some gimmick economics, I will give you 10 and you give me 100. I am not saying that the Conservatives are the only ones behaving this way, but hey in the world of politics this is like jumping in to the shark tank in the quest of making some new friends. The long of it and the short of it is that Harpers strategy is evident and clear, keeps the people stupid while the perception of the reality is totally out of alignment, while the full term is coming. I call that deceitful and a true contradiction of the open Government reality Harper painted before the election. To day if Harper was companying and people new of his secret agenda I bet you Blue Alberta he would have ended up with only a handful of seats questioning opposition status. And now we have one more new twist, the blended tax how nice, you end up paying for tax that before you did not have to pay, for example the PST Provincial Sales Tax in some cases people are exempt, now they have to pay, give you a little bit while I take lots from you. Nice hey?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

perhaps he is getting ready for the time, we lose Canadian soldurers every day in this conflic. As we can not have the flag at half mast everyday..... something to dwell on....

 

[Lineman]

Re: RE: Harper has no respect for the fallen soldiers!!!!!!!

the people are real
the flag is not

Best post in the whole thread! Get a grip people

Are you both kidding us? The flag is your identity, unless you are one of the type that would burn the flag and steal some ones vote, and through Democracy to the Lions like you have just done, telling the masses that your national identity is not the flag is people. Get a grip. In the world stage your identity is the flag of the country you reside in, anything else is Harpocorn propaganda of the far right.

Look I rarely if ever agree with anything cortezz has to say but you've lost perspective here. This should be about respecting soldiers who have died while performing their duty to their country. Now here is where cortezz and I would part ways as I support the mission and he does not. But after all is said and done my country's flag is drapped over the remains of these soldiers and that is where all of our focus should be. Whether it's flying at full or half mast in Ottawa really doesn't matter. If we want to show respect do it by showing up on decoration day or remembrance day. And Yes a nation's identity IS it's people, it's politics, it's economics, it's respect, etc. The Flag is but a symbol that reminds others of all of the above. When we changed flags all those years ago did our identity change? No just the symbol. Just tell someone you're Canadian and they can figure it out without the symbol.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: RE: Harper has no respect for the fallen soldiers!!!!!!!

the people are real
the flag is not

Best post in the whole thread! Get a grip people

Are you both kidding us? The flag is your identity, unless you are one of the type that would burn the flag and steal some ones vote, and through Democracy to the Lions like you have just done, telling the masses that your national identity is not the flag is people. Get a grip. In the world stage your identity is the flag of the country you reside in, anything else is Harpocorn propaganda of the far right.

Look I rarely if ever agree with anything cortezz has to say but you've lost perspective here. This should be about respecting soldiers who have died while performing their duty to their country. Now here is where cortezz and I would part ways as I support the mission and he does not. But after all is said and done my country's flag is drapped over the remains of these soldiers and that is where all of our focus should be. Whether it's flying at full or half mast in Ottawa really doesn't matter. If we want to show respect do it by showing up on decoration day or remembrance day. And Yes a nation's identity IS it's people, it's politics, it's economics, it's respect, etc. The Flag is but a symbol that reminds others of all of the above. When we changed flags all those years ago did our identity change? No just the symbol. Just tell someone you're Canadian and they can figure it out without the symbol.

Lineman, good post.