Harper Campaiging

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Ottawa — Conservative Leader Stephen Harper outlined Monday what his government's top five priorities would be should the Conservatives form the next government.

Topping the list is a host of reforms in the proposed Federal Accountability Act, which includes tighter rules for lobbyists and gives the Auditor-General and Ethics Commisioner more powers.

Mr. Harper then promised to cut one percentage point off the GST in his first budget and a second point later in his mandate.

A crackdown on crime, including mandatory minimum sentences, is the third priority, followed by a day-care plan that includes $1,200 a year to families for each child six and under as well as direct subsidies to centres that create new daycare spaces.

Finally, Mr. Harper pledged to transfer more money to the provinces and work with them to establish a patient waiting-times guarantee.

Absent from his list of priorities was any talk of increases to military spending.

Mr. Harper said a Conservative government would move on these five priorities first and other parts of the Conservative platform, such as defence, over time based on the size of the mandate he received.

"The stronger and the longer the mandate, the more time we'll have to work on a range of issues," he said. "Mr. Martin has more than 50 priorities and no results."

The Conservative Leader also spoke at length about the shooting death of a teenage girl, Jane Creba, in downtown Toronto over the holidays.

"This is not the Toronto I grew up in," he said. "We would not have tolerated such violence then and Torontonians should not tolerate such violence today."

Mr. Harper said Tory measures would include mandatory prison sentences for repeat serious offenders.

Liberal Leader Paul Martin was scheduled to give several media interviews Monday as well as visiting a bagel shop in Ottawa in an attempt to revive Liberal fortunes, with polls suggesting the Grits are in a dogfight with the Conservatives.

NDP Leader Jack Layton, who was also scheduled to campaign in the Ottawa area, is insisting that he is not planning to change his strategy in the second phase of the campaign.

Polls are indicating strategic voting could once again drive some NDP supporters toward the Liberals because they are scared of the Conservatives.

The Green Party, meanwhile, unveiled a platform calling for a charter to guarantee Canadians clean water and air among other environmental issues.
 

FiveParadox

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Close Race Bad for the NDP

While I would appreciate a strong presence in the House of Commons of the New Democratic Party, the closer the race between the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party, the worse things are going to look for the NDP on Election Day.

If it appears that the Conservative Party is "dangerously close" (forgive the negative connotation) to having the opportunity to govern, many NDP supporters may feel that it is necessary to vote Liberal in order to prevent that from happening. Strategic voting could play a key role in the make-up of the Thirty-ninth Parliament.
 

Jersay

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Defense spending and defense in general and sovereignty must have slipped Harper's mind.

Absent from his list of priorities was any talk of increases to military spending.

Was that a real promise that he is going to implement or just hot air.
 

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Jersay said:
Ottawa — Conservative Leader Stephen Harper outlined Monday what his government's top five priorities would be should the Conservatives form the next government.

Topping the list is a host of reforms in the proposed Federal Accountability Act, which includes tighter rules for lobbyists and gives the Auditor-General and Ethics Commisioner more powers.

Mr. Harper then promised to cut one percentage point off the GST in his first budget and a second point later in his mandate.

A crackdown on crime, including mandatory minimum sentences, is the third priority, followed by a day-care plan that includes $1,200 a year to families for each child six and under as well as direct subsidies to centres that create new daycare spaces.

Finally, Mr. Harper pledged to transfer more money to the provinces and work with them to establish a patient waiting-times guarantee.

Absent from his list of priorities was any talk of increases to military spending.

Mr. Harper said a Conservative government would move on these five priorities first and other parts of the Conservative platform, such as defence, over time based on the size of the mandate he received.

"The stronger and the longer the mandate, the more time we'll have to work on a range of issues," he said. "Mr. Martin has more than 50 priorities and no results."

The Conservative Leader also spoke at length about the shooting death of a teenage girl, Jane Creba, in downtown Toronto over the holidays.

"This is not the Toronto I grew up in," he said. "We would not have tolerated such violence then and Torontonians should not tolerate such violence today."

Mr. Harper said Tory measures would include mandatory prison sentences for repeat serious offenders.

Liberal Leader Paul Martin was scheduled to give several media interviews Monday as well as visiting a bagel shop in Ottawa in an attempt to revive Liberal fortunes, with polls suggesting the Grits are in a dogfight with the Conservatives.

NDP Leader Jack Layton, who was also scheduled to campaign in the Ottawa area, is insisting that he is not planning to change his strategy in the second phase of the campaign.

Polls are indicating strategic voting could once again drive some NDP supporters toward the Liberals because they are scared of the Conservatives.

The Green Party, meanwhile, unveiled a platform calling for a charter to guarantee Canadians clean water and air among other environmental issues.

Although I'm dissapointed that defense spending wasn't on the top five list, I personally think that many Canadians will agree with Harper's priorities.

Fighting government corruption, given the recent Liberal Party scandal is no doubt a good choice for top priority. A Tax cut (shaving 1% off the GST) is another priority that will appeal to most Canadians. I mean who doesn't want to pay less taxes? Harsher penalty for criminals, another good choice. I really like the family oriented day care plan giving $1,200 a year to families per child under 6 as well as incentives to those businesses that create new daycare centers. Giving more money to the provinces is also good, allowing each province a greater power in running local programs like healthcare.
 

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Let's hope it wasn't just hot air, but i trust that that will be a top priority for Harper if he has a decent stint at Prime Minister. Conservatives are known for their strong support of the military so i cant see the issue being overlooked.
 

the caracal kid

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here is a quick look at canada's military:
http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/disp/dis009_e.html

politically though, harpie is being the true opportunist he is. he is playing off of the shootings in TO in true form. Ever wonder why Harpie never really discusses his desired changes to canada? That is not to say he would not want to fund more military, but just that like everything else he promises, he isn't telling you the real cost.
 

FiveParadox

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Fiscal Framework

Within the current fiscal gramework of the Government of Canada, some of the Leader of the Opposition's proposals are somewhat unrealistic, sometimes seemingly impossible if viewed against the budgetary framework of the nation in its current form.

I don't blame Mr. Harper for this, just to be clear; most politicians, both the Leader of the Opposition and the Prime Minister inclusive, aren't going to run an election on the cuts they plan to make — rather, only the improvements.
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Harper Campaiging

the caracal kid said:
here is a quick look at canada's military:
http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/disp/dis009_e.html

politically though, harpie is being the true opportunist he is. he is playing off of the shootings in TO in true form. Ever wonder why Harpie never really discusses his desired changes to canada? That is not to say he would not want to fund more military, but just that like everything else he promises, he isn't telling you the real cost.

Please. Harper is playing of the TO shootings? Where in the hell do you think the mythical handgun ban of Martin came from?

I would not worry too much about increased military spending, as if there is any party that will do it, it will be the Conservatives. Personally, I think he has just outlined five priorities that the other parties cannot argue about, without looking more foolish.

Go Stephen Go.
 

the caracal kid

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bkuealberta, why do you always seem to think i am defending martin when i am discussing the real harper?

i am not worried about increased military funding. i am against it as a strong military is not a measure of a strong country. however, WHERE the priorities in spending are do concern me. We are talking about Harps here who as opposition attacked the DART program as a PR program, yet now wants to purchase aircraft for the purpose of rapid deployment. So the real question about harps is what are his real priorities with the military. You don't have to look to far to see they are not humanitarian in nature.

You have definitely hit on a major part of harp's priority list. He IS trying to con the populace with his false-faced new-look of being a moderate when he is still the same harpie with the same right-wing-nuts running for the party.

yes, "go stephen go", go right on back to the hole you crawled out of, or go crawl up the backside down in washington you love so much, just GO.
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Harper Campaiging

the caracal kid[quote] said:
bkuealberta, why do you always seem to think i am defending martin when i am discussing the real harper?

Because the only real race is to see which major party will be the government. IMO, the Knee Dippers are irrelevant.

i am not worried about increased military funding. i am against it as a strong military is not a measure of a strong country. however, WHERE the priorities in spending are do concern me. We are talking about Harps here who as opposition attacked the DART program as a PR program, yet now wants to purchase aircraft for the purpose of rapid deployment. So the real question about harps is what are his real priorities with the military. You don't have to look to far to see they are not humanitarian in nature.

Well, that much is true, military usually has nothing to do with humanitarism. However, you and I disagree, I think that if a nation is to be sovereign, it has to have the ability to provide at least a reasonable degree of defense for itself, especially for a country this big. Harpers position on the DART team is if we are going to have it, which we do, we had better have aircraft which allows us to deploy it as quick as possible, given that it is a quick response program. Otherwise, it is useless, as was proven during last years tsnuamis.

You have definitely hit on a major part of harp's priority list. He IS trying to con the populace with his false-faced new-look of being a moderate when he is still the same harpie with the same right-wing-nuts running for the party.

Oh please, name some so called nuts running for the conservatives. And what policies are con jobs? Name em please.

yes, "go stephen go", go right on back to the hole you crawled out of, or go crawl up the backside down in washington you love so much, just GO.
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Oh that is clever. Go Stephen go, right to 24 Sussex Drive, where you righfully belong.
 

FiveParadox

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Conservative Leadership

In my honest opinion, I would not be so cautious of granting the Conservative Party of Canada a mandate to govern if only the leadership of the party were not so right-wing. If the Liberal Party of Canada were not under fire for alleged scandals and corruption, then the Conservatives wouldn't have a chance — they need a more "centrist" leader, with less of a "right-wing way or the highway" mentality.

:!: Edit Corrected a formatting problem.
 

bluealberta

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Re: Conservative Leadership

FiveParadox said:
In my honest opinion, I would not be so cautious of granting the Conservative Party of Canada a mandate to govern if only the leadership of the party were not so right-wing. If the Liberal Party of Canada were not under fire for alleged scandals and corruption, then the Conservatives wouldn't have a chance — they need a more "centrist" leader, with less of a "right-wing way or the highway" mentality.

:!: Edit Corrected a formatting problem.

I don't understand why the left always thinks the right is extreme, or something. There are numerous posts on this and other forums that think the Conservatives are too far left, and are a version of Liberal lite. I personally think they are the only centrist party out there, and if you think they are way right, that speaks more to your way left views than anything else.

There is a fellow on another forum who argues with me that he cannot accept the conservatives because they are too far left economically and socially. The fact that you think they are too far right economically and socially only confirms my opinion that they are the true and pure centrist party.

Now please do not respond with that old hidden agenda crap, that has been disproven over and over again. Accountability, responsibility, provincial rights, and freedom from big government is what the Conservatives offer as stark contrast to the Liberals and NDP.
 

FiveParadox

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Hidden Agenda?

I have no intention of responding with the stereotypical hidden agenda rhetoric, lol, no worries. In my opinion though, for me personally, the Conservative Party of Canada is a bit right-wing for my political taste. Namely on the issue of same-sex marriage; I'm gay, so I'm sure you can see why I'd be more inclined to vote for an "establishedly" left-wing party.

:!: Edit Corrected a typo.
 

Jersay

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There are issues that both Conservatives and Liberals are right-wing on and then there are issues that both parties are central or a bit left. The Liberals more so.

However, Stephen Harper does not scare me personally, like some politican would scare me. And to all people who would think of switching there vote from NDP to Liberal. What is the big deal with Harper?

I intend to vote NDP. What can Harper do with a minority. He can't do anything rash, or extreme right. Give him a chance, and while he is still Conservative leader, and you like the conservative policy, vote him in minorities until a more central leader comes around or until the NDP will form the government.

And why wouldn't the NDP form government?
 

FiveParadox

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NDP Government

Jersay, I don't think anyone's trying to say that the NDP will never form a Government. I think what one may mean to say is that both of the "main," for lack of a better term, political parties (the Grits and the Tories) would need to "screw up" in order for their support to fall in sufficient numbers to give the NDP a decent shot.
 

the caracal kid

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hidden agenda? no hidden agenda. the harpie agenda is there if you go beneath the rhetoric and look at the real man and the party.

Jersay, i don't agree with the "give him a chance" approach. If somebody is clearly not suitable to leading the country in a positive direction (or any direction) they should not be given a chance considering how expensive both elections and mistakes can be. (this applies to all potential PMs)
 

Jersay

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Then if he is not suitable, when the minority falls, elect the NDP or a newly reformed Liberal party and the Cons will go into banishment for another 20 to 30 years.

Because if he is as tough headed about coalitions as I have heard, once he tries to push through legislation that is against the values of Canada, he can take a nice long trip to America where he can stay permanently.
 

bluealberta

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Jersay said:
That is what I am hoping for. :D

Ah, hope, that indescribeable thing that keeps us all going!!

I personally will state that I do not think that the NDP will ever form a national government, in the Canada we now know. If, on the other hand, some regions separate, or whatever, then all bets are off.

Jersay, I think you have it right, have enough NDP to keep it interesting, but give a mandate to the Conservatives, even a minority, to let them see what they can do.