Harper and Howard Shun Kyoto for AP6

What should the Government of Canada do, in relation to the Kyoto Accord and AP6?

  • Keep the Kyoto Accord and join AP6

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  • Keep the Kyoto Accord and do not join AP6

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  • Leave the Kyoto Accord and join AP6

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  • Leave the Kyoto Accord and do not join AP6

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  • Don't know / Prefer not to respond

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Jay

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FiveParadox said:
The Prime Minister seemed to indicate an interest in opting into AP6 during a conference with the Honourable John Howard, the Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Australia.


FiveParadox said:
If Mr. Harper and Ms. Ambrose are going to continue to bash the Kyoto Accord, in the interest of a "made-in-Canada" solution, then perhaps it's time for the Government to present its "solution" to this most serious of issues — unless, of course, it has no plan or strategy for the future of the environment of this nation.

So which one is it?
 

Jay

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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/....html?id=3386fa8c-db0e-4746-923d-98d7f19e210e

National Post

Published: Tuesday, May 23, 2006

According to a leaked document, Stephen Harper's Conservative government opposes the extension of the Kyoto accord on greenhouse gas emissions Naturally, environmentalists are up in arms. But the Conservative position is absolutely correct: Recent developments show that our participation in Kyoto will neither help fight climate change, nor advance Canada's international status.

This month in Bonn, Germany, the 190 countries that are parties to the Kyoto accord selected Australia to co-chair negotiations on a replacement for the treaty, which is set to expire in 2012. Why Australia and not Canada? Australia hasn't even signed Kyoto, whereas we have been its most vocal booster. Canada is even the chair of the international Kyoto committee this year.

The answer may be found in Australia's emissions record -- it's substantially better than ours. Or it may result from the fact that Australia was able to bring the United States to the post-Kyoto table. The world, correctly, may have deduced that Australia, not Canada, possesses the necessary clout to take the United Nations' climate change treaty to the next step.

Instead of wagging their finger at Washington and publicly hectoring the White House on global warming -- the approach of the former government -- the Australians have been co-operating with the Americans on practical emissions solutions for nearly four years now. As Bonn proves, this strategy has paid off.

Among all the name-calling and posturing the Liberals directed at Washington during more than a decade in office, the one instance that reportedly angered the White House the most came last year in Montreal during an international gathering on the Kyoto accord. There, then-prime minister Paul Martin, in a crass attempt to score political points in the early days of Canada's election campaign, declared: "To the reticent nations, including the United States, I say this: There is such a thing as a global conscience, and now is the time to listen to it. [To those] voices that attempt to diminish the urgency, or dismiss the science, or declare either in word or in indifference that this is not our problem to solve ... let me tell you, it is our problem to solve and we are in this together."

This oratory provoked cheers from the assembled international environmental crowd, but it just about ended any remaining influence the Liberals had with the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush.

Canada may have played the multilateral game just so on Kyoto. But all of the Liberals' rhetorical correctness and devotion to Kyoto's hollow symbolism -- the accord may be popular, but even if fully implemented, it would never have solved global warming -- got them nowhere. In the end, it didn't even win us much respect among other Kyoto supporters around the world.

Australia's willingness to stand outside Kyoto should also serve as a caution to environmental groups and other critics of our Conservative government's new made-in-Canada greenhouse strategy. Since 1990, Canada -- perhaps Kyoto's most devoted acolyte -- has increased its greenhouse emissions by 25%. Meanwhile, Australia, which went its own way with made-in-Australia solutions, has seen emission increases of less than 3%. Warnings that Canada will never bring its emissions under control unless it hews to the Kyoto framework are clearly nonsense.

The Americans, who have shunned Kyoto, too, have a better emissions record than Canada. Over the past 15 years, the relative growth in their greenhouse emissions has been less than two-thirds our own. And that is despite an economic boom greater than Canada's.

So rather than Kyoto being vital to reducing greenhouse emissions, as is the accepted wisdom, it may be counterproductive. Our Conservative government is correct to look for alternatives. Who knows: Maybe someday, we can aspire to the success of the Australians
 

BitWhys

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op-eds!

cool

Where's Canada's will to win the war on climate change?
JIM STANFORD

BONN, GERMANY -- Early in the debate over Canada's Afghanistan deployment, Prime Minister Stephen Harper pledged that "Canadians don't cut and run." Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay told reporters in Kandahar that Canada would stay until we "finish the job." When the going gets tough, Canadians get going. If we make an international commitment, we live up to it.

Well, except where our commitment to the international effort against climate change is concerned. That's different. In contrast to the macho determination of Mr. Harper and Mr. MacKay during their respective Afghan photo ops, Environment Minister Rona Ambrose blandly threw in the towel on climate change. "It is impossible, impossible for Canada to reach its Kyoto targets," she told the House of Commons. When the going gets tough, Canadians sit back, crack a cool one, and turn up the air conditioner.

Ms. Ambrose's claim regarding the impossibility of meeting our Kyoto targets is vigorously disputed by scientists and environmentalists alike.

In any event, it's essential for Canada (along with other nations) to reduce emissions quickly and deeply, and to support a global timetable for the next stages of pollution reduction. By abandoning Kyoto (even as she oversees its implementation), Ms. Ambrose signals clearly -- to Canadian polluters and international laggards alike -- that won't happen.

Speaking of impossible dreams, let's consider the likelihood that 2,000 dedicated Canadians will succeed in pacifying a wild land that has defeated most of the great powers of the world. Compared to that faint hope, meeting our Kyoto targets is a piece of cake.

Moreover, climate change certainly poses a more immediate danger to the well-being of Canadians than the Taliban. The Ontario Medical Association estimates that 2,000 people die prematurely every year from air pollution in that province alone. The economic and human cost of drought, forest fire, severe weather, damage from warm-weather species (like mountain pine beetles) -- all of which can be traced to climate change -- gets worse every year.

Winston Churchill could quite rationally have concluded that it was impossible, impossible for his little island to turn back the invading Nazis. Luckily for us, he didn't. Imagine if our leaders exhibited a Churchillian determination to face this latest global threat. And, like the Second World War, a serious war against climate change would give our economy a mighty boost: huge investments in efficient technology, hundreds of thousands of jobs.

Here's the dispatch I had hoped to see from the global climate change conference (which wraps up this week), assuming we took the fight against climate change as seriously as the war in Afghanistan.

Canada's Environment Minister Rona Ambrose paid a lightning visit to Bonn today to support international officials trying to agree on new targets for reducing global greenhouse-gas pollution.

Wearing a flak jacket sewn from organic hemp fabric and stylish mirrored sunglasses, Ms. Ambrose strode forcefully from a Canadian Forces helicopter. She gave a stirring speech to the gathered delegates, at one point citing former U.S. General Douglas MacArthur: "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." Ms. Ambrose said that meeting global greenhouse-gas targets would require a unified commitment from all allies. "We can defeat this clear and present danger, and we will. And the peoples of the world will be more secure and prosperous because of our courage and sacrifice."

Journalists embedded at the conference mingled with Ms. Ambrose and admiring delegates following her speech, consuming tofu hotdogs and carrot juice at the conference mess hall. However, journalists were informed that photographs of Hummer SUVs or the smokestacks of coal-fired power plants would be strictly prohibited. "This is war," a stern Ms. Ambrose stated, "and we can't afford to undermine our morale."

Ms. Ambrose used her surprise visit to announce a major boost in spending on "environmental security" in her government's 2006 budget. Spending on climate-change programs will be boosted by $5.3-billion over five years. "Canadians want to know that we can do our part to build peace and security around the world."

When asked how long she would continue chairing the global Kyoto process, Ms. Ambrose replied bluntly: "Until we finish the job."

In tomorrow's paper: Read about the federal government's initiatives to promote law and order. Well, except for Canadians who ignore the legal requirement to register their long guns. That's different.

Jim Stanford is an economist embedded with the Canadian Auto Workers union.
 

Jay

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Thats quite the article...

Moreover, climate change certainly poses a more immediate danger to the well-being of Canadians than the Taliban. The Ontario Medical Association estimates that 2,000 people die prematurely every year from air pollution in that province alone.


Hmmm, I guess it's all in how you look at it. I mean the Taliban types took out 3000 in some half hour plus the buildings.....maybe we should relax all our security and monitoring and let the Tallybans have a real go at it and see how many they can kill.

What hasn't proven to be much of a threat is "global warming" sure pollution isn't good for our health, but the worst of "global warming" are its activist and their hunger for government dollars and killing off industry, raising taxes and the names you get called if you don’t believe their theories to the letter.

I like how he uses WWII as an example....are we supposed to really believe liberals are for war and deterrents....I mean come on, not everyone is that stupid to fall for that game. Next thing you know Liberals are going to claim winning the cold war was a good thing too and they were on our side! :lol:
 

BitWhys

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There IS a difference between international terrorist organizations and domestic insurgencies, not that I'd expect such discernment to be within everyone's ability to comprehend.
 

yballa09

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kind of like discerning between someone saying the 90's as in a period of time rather than the year 1990, or 20 something percent not actually meaning 20% but any number in the 20's. but i wouldn't expect everyone to comprehend this either...