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MMMike

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I think things can still move forward with the peace process despite the Hamas victory. The very fact that there were democratic elections is encouraging. Let's be clear, Hamas did not win because of their hardline policies... they won because people were sick of corruption and incompetance of the Fatah party. More than 70% of the population indicated that they wanted Hamas to moderate their hardline stance on issues. Even Hamas themselves have made attempts to set up a coalition with Fatah members.

This is the time for diplomacy in the truest sense. I hope that a hardline approach from either Hamas or the Western governments do not win the day. It will be difficult for Hamas to make a major change in their approach without alienating some of their supporters and possibly fracturing their government. We should send out cautious feelers and try to work out some compromises behind the scenes. If Hamas sends back the right signals, we shouldn't cut off aid or ties immediately.
 
Jo Canadian

Jo Canadian

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I'm a little confused about the situation over there though, and it may be because of the one sided facet of our western media. There's been alot of talk/news about the palastinians protesting the fact that Hamas had won. Especially the women complaining who fear the possibility of living under Sharia law, which currently most aren't reqired to do. With the amount of publicised media on those opposing the Hamas perogative, how did they get voted in the first place? Is it like Saudi Arabia where women can't vote :scratch:

I'm for thinking that it's probably our media focusing in on the few that oppose, to give the illusion that most palastinians oppose their new gov't...which contradicts that they were democratically elected in the first place. :?
 
FiveParadox

FiveParadox

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It is possible, I would concede, that perhaps the media in North America is catering toward a vocal minority of opposition; however, another situation, although slightly less likely, is that perhaps a First-Past-the-Post election had irregular results (as has happened in the past in other nations).
 
Jo Canadian

Jo Canadian

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zoofer

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The world must impress upon the Palestinians that there are consequences for their choices. And so long as they choose rejectionism -- the source of a 60-year conflict the Israelis have long been ready to resolve -- the world will not continue to support and subsidize them.

And that means cutting off Hamas completely: no recognition, no negotiation, no aid, nothing. And not just assistance to a Hamas government, but all assistance. The Bush administration suggests continuing financial support for ``humanitarian'' services. This is a serious mistake.

First, because money is fungible. Every dollar we spend for Palestinian social services is a dollar freed up for a Hamas government to purchase rockets, guns and suicide belts for the ``Palestinian army'' that Meshal has already declared he intends to build.

Second, because it sends the Palestinians precisely the wrong message. If they were under a dictatorship that imposed rejectionism upon them, there would be a case for helping a disenfranchised Palestinian people. But they just held the most open and honest exercise of democracy in Palestinian history. The Palestinian people chose. However much they love victimhood, they are not victims here. They are actors. And historical actors have to take responsibility.

They want blood and death and romance? They will get nothing. They choose peace and coexistence? Then, as President Bush pledged in June 2002, they will get everything: world recognition, financial assistance, their own state with independence and dignity.

In August 2001, Hamas sent a suicide bomber into a Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem. He killed 15 innocent Israelis, mutilating many dozens more. A month later, Hamas student activists at al-Najah University in Nablus celebrated the attack with an exhibit, a mockup of the smashed Sbarro shop strewn with blood and fake body parts -- a severed leg, still dressed in jeans; a human hand dangling from the ceiling. The inscription (with a reference to the Qassam military wing of Hamas) read: ``Qassami Pizza is more delicious.''

The correct term for such a mentality is not militance, not extremism, but moral depravity. The world must advise the Palestinian people that if their national will is to embrace Hamas -- its methods and its madness -- then their national will is simply too murderous and, yes, too depraved for the world to countenance, let alone subsidize.

The essential first lesson of any newborn democracy is that national choices have national consequences. A Hamas-led Palestine, cut off entirely, will be forced to entertain second thoughts.
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More of this illuminating article
 
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Hamas might pretend that it's sitting on the peace table with the Israelis, but will always support and finance al- jihad group to continue suicide attacks on Israel and when Israel asks hamas to stop the attacks as they are the palestinian authority, they will reply that this is a result of the occupation and we really have nothing to do with Al-jihad.

rachelle-
 
diaeagle

diaeagle

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Canadian with a hyphen said:
Hamas might pretend that it's sitting on the peace table with the Israelis, but will always support and finance al- jihad group to continue suicide attacks on Israel and when Israel asks hamas to stop the attacks as they are the palestinian authority, they will reply that this is a result of the occupation and we really have nothing to do with Al-jihad.

rachelle-
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wow... i will repeate some sentences in real way as i have seen....
israel might pretend that it's sitting on the peace table with the palestinaian.... but on other hand they will continue there occupation to build thier big country from NILE TO FORAT RIVER ....wherever palestinian will ask them to stop assassination policy and stop the building of the hate wall on 1967 lands but israelians will continue in their policy.... so the nutiral rights to reacte on their policy as same israelian way
 
Sassylassie

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Canadian with a hyphen, I enjoy your "Educated responses" to these threads. It's nice to see an honest answer with out fanatisism, thank you.
 
FiveParadox

FiveParadox

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Re: Negotiations With Hamas

I think that Canada should make a concerted effort to resolve the tensions between the Government of the Palestinian Authority, and the Government of the State of Israel, even if the effectiveness of the United Nations in terms of this matter, to this point, has been less than inspiring. Perhaps we should create some sort of Interparliamentary Committee on Middle East Tensions, or something as such.

We should have our Members of Parliament and our Senators engaged in discussions and negotiations between the two Governments-in-question, in an attempt to facilitate some sort of understanding and, perhaps at some point in the future, a solution to the issues which are so negatively affecting stability in the region. If the effectiveness of the U.N. in this matter is suspect, then Canada should attempt to endeavour to create peace in the region, outside the sphere of United Nations conferences.

Just a suggestion, anyway.
 
diaeagle

diaeagle

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wow... if CANADA have accepted on israel suggestions :twisted: and opinions it easy to take its place in MIDLLE EAST.... :sad11:
 
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