I qualify!! I actually use my bike 95% of the time to tool around the city. I use the car as little as possible.
Greens aren’t always good
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I qualify!! I actually use my bike 95% of the time to tool around the city. I use the car as little as possible.
Thats great for you...really but how many people..good or bad right or wrong are actually interested in doing what you do..as well we all don't live in a city that in general gets little snow, I couldn't get my bike out of the garage in the winter let alone ride it.
These same people will balme large corporate companies for all the woos but have no interest themselves in changing much.....
do the nimby over dumps but throw everything they can into the garbage pail
Jim, the stuff coming from the right is more smokescreen than anything. They're latching onto this global warming "debate" to buy more time to do nothing. That's the way politics works unfortunately. Doing nothing is money in pocket. It doesn't take a biologist to figure out we need to do something, and it certainly doesn't take a political scientist or an economist to figure out we need to get away from buying oil from terrorist producing nations. The politicians are hired to act in our interests, not just in the interests of their friends or big dollar party supporters. They easily come up plans to reduce something or other by by 2015 or 2021. That's easy..place the burden on someone else. It's time someone stepped up to the plate to make some ground breaking changes now.
We could argue about whether we should or shouldn't drink coffee or eat eggs, and we could round up scientists to support each side. However common sense tells us not to over indulge no matter what the consensus. We're over indulging in fossil fuels and need to get on a diet. Not in five years from now or when the next party comes in to power. Lets get on with it.
Hey Colpy you mention,
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Any hybreds out there?
How about NO vehicle, use of public transit only...........and NOT because you are simply poor?
Solar panels installed?
Windmills?
Didn't think so. "
I punched into google.ca "Vancouver solar appliances" and found nothing. Fact is, there are very few solar/wind anything out there for sale in the market. It's all corporate and the corporate world is Harperesque and hooked on crude and in environmental denial.
When I worked downtown I took the Skytrain. It was very good except during rush hour at 8:30 when I had to often wait for 2-3 sardine cans to get to work by nine. Then I see four empty trains on Sunday afternoon cruising on the line. Go figure. To the managers at Skytrain who drive to work in cars, only losers take public transit.
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Any hybreds out there?
How about NO vehicle, use of public transit only...........and NOT because you are simply poor?
Solar panels installed?
Windmills?
Didn't think so. "
I punched into google.ca "Vancouver solar appliances" and found nothing. Fact is, there are very few solar/wind anything out there for sale in the market. It's all corporate and the corporate world is Harperesque and hooked on crude and in environmental denial.
When I worked downtown I took the Skytrain. It was very good except during rush hour at 8:30 when I had to often wait for 2-3 sardine cans to get to work by nine. Then I see four empty trains on Sunday afternoon cruising on the line. Go figure. To the managers at Skytrain who drive to work in cars, only losers take public transit.
Jim, the stuff coming from the right is more smokescreen than anything. They're latching onto this global warming "debate" to buy more time to do nothing. That's the way politics works unfortunately. Doing nothing is money in pocket.
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I agree with you Kreskin.
I'm not sure why conservatives need to align themselves with the forces of greed
that will sh_t where it eats and sleeps. You're not supposed to fowl your own nest.
I did like the development in the 1970s of environmental impact studies being required
of each developer of a subdivision or of an industry. This married the cost of environmental
impact as the COST OF DOING BUSINESS. Before that the cost on the environment was
not considered a business cost.
We're still doing that on a local level everywhere.
I liked the older days when for decades, environmentalists were known as
conservationists ----- and that was when the movement was one of caring, and was
involving the mainstream of society.
Now the right has viciously cartooned the Left as tree huggers (not without help by
the sillier parts of the Left).
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I agree with you Kreskin.
I'm not sure why conservatives need to align themselves with the forces of greed
that will sh_t where it eats and sleeps. You're not supposed to fowl your own nest.
I did like the development in the 1970s of environmental impact studies being required
of each developer of a subdivision or of an industry. This married the cost of environmental
impact as the COST OF DOING BUSINESS. Before that the cost on the environment was
not considered a business cost.
We're still doing that on a local level everywhere.
I liked the older days when for decades, environmentalists were known as
conservationists ----- and that was when the movement was one of caring, and was
involving the mainstream of society.
Now the right has viciously cartooned the Left as tree huggers (not without help by
the sillier parts of the Left).
I don't think conservatives are bad people at all, but I do think they have an unhealthy trust of authority and authority figures, those who control the western economies play to conservatives with fiscal resposibility, family values, Gods security, stability all the areas normally thought of as forming the base of conservatisim. So these are the necessitys of life which the corporate handlers have morphed into hot button issues. While perpetual promises have been made to conservative elements of the western world delivery has been poor or non existant, but those issues continue to be the bases of any society and the traditional conservative has no choice but to cling to those elements who have labled themselves as conservative, a deeper look at the performance and platforms of say republicans or conservatives in Canada reveals that they are in fact not conservative in the traditional sense of the word. They are corporatist to the core and behind that barely consealed fascism. So many people start out serveing conservative values only to find themselves wearing brownshirts and jackboots.:wave:
They have passed the private memebers bill to cut greenhouse gasses by 30% in 5 years..duh....
I heard an expert on the radio this morning saying if we stopped all manufacturing and took ever car off the road within Canada we would cut emmisions by..ready 27%.... Or if we all had our winter themostats at 15 instead of 20 and we all saved..remember ALL 30% of our car fuel we may get there...This is stupid, even the Liberals know it can't be done outside of just buying credits from russia (which does nothing for no one outside of giving russia money) It's all optics it's all dumb..
We need to stop the game called Green and sit down with a reasonable long term plan real goals..real solutions... It's not 1 or 2 companies it's all of us collectively living that causes our emmissions.
The Sky is NOT falling..but it is a bit grey!!
I heard an expert on the radio this morning saying if we stopped all manufacturing and took ever car off the road within Canada we would cut emmisions by..ready 27%.... Or if we all had our winter themostats at 15 instead of 20 and we all saved..remember ALL 30% of our car fuel we may get there...This is stupid, even the Liberals know it can't be done outside of just buying credits from russia (which does nothing for no one outside of giving russia money) It's all optics it's all dumb..
We need to stop the game called Green and sit down with a reasonable long term plan real goals..real solutions... It's not 1 or 2 companies it's all of us collectively living that causes our emmissions.
The Sky is NOT falling..but it is a bit grey!!
Good post Ottowabill. The Left needs to push its agenda more intelligently
and more integrated with what is do-able. I think Darkbeaver can even agree with
your statement Ottowabill :
This is stupid, even the Liberals know it can't be done outside of just buying credits from russia (which does nothing for no one outside of giving russia money) It's all optics it's all dumb..
and more integrated with what is do-able. I think Darkbeaver can even agree with
your statement Ottowabill :
This is stupid, even the Liberals know it can't be done outside of just buying credits from russia (which does nothing for no one outside of giving russia money) It's all optics it's all dumb..
Cool, Csan, but don't stop there. You know, the "reduce, reuse, recycle" idea......
There are folks around here that xcountry ski into town to work.
Minimize their population.
One can only effect change from their backyard outwards. Why even worry about whether the guy in the next town is doing when one's own town needs fixing?
Yeah, Canada seems to be in the Dark Ages concerning solar power. I would like to try it and will sometime, but my power comes from the creek running down the property. It sure felt good to tell Nelson Hydro to stuff their "service".
I agree, good post, Bill.
Unfiortunately, we have the mainstream press and politicians twisting and spinning the actual science on one side and environuts twisting and spinning on the other. That single factor is the largest retardant to actually getting things done.