Government should put a cap on auto worker wages !!

damngrumpy

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Like always the money went to pay off the bills created by the executive bonuses.
Remember the better wages and working conditions benefit you. People who are
making more money buy houses, cars and other things they also pay more taxes
and in the case of municipalities that means more home owners to share the tax
load. We actually want people making good money it is what makes a free enterprise
economy work. Or is it that we want just a few people making money?
Besides governments should not start governing wages in the private sector we did
that once before during the seventies and it in the end caused a lot of grief.
 

Machjo

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Materials and labour to build a vehicle is around $7000

A 60% mark up adds $4200 (60% is considered a highly profitable margin)

When was the last time you bought a fully loaded mid sized car of baseline truck for $11400 which would be a fair market value?

If I really want the car, I'll find the money to buy it. I don't need the government subsidizing it. ANd it shouldn't be subsidized seeing that it's not a luxory.
 

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If we had codetermination legislation as they do in Germany and Sweden, then the workers too would have a voice on the board of directors. I would be all for that. But then, let the market handle it.

However, even without such legislation in place, why reward the execs? We shoudl have let GM fall and maybe get bought out by another car manufacturer. As for the workers who lose their jobs in teh process, retrain them for the new growing car industry, the successful one, likely Toyota or something of the sort.

Come on, as soon as these plants stop producing, it's the end. I live close enough to Oshawa to see that, there's no foreign buyers waiting to buy their derelict truck plant.

Retrain these workers to do what?
 

damngrumpy

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Buy what you can afford. The problem is today it doesn't matter what it is people
want cheap, rather than quality and they want the government to chip in for everything.
There are things government should be involved in for the public interest. The car
industry I agree needed some help to restructure, and get past the problems they had
in an economic meltdown. The money should have been a loan and not the government
buying in as a longer term partner. I believe the problem was they didn't know if the
industry would survive so they bought in. Jobs and other considerations had to be taken
into account like it or not.Cars are not in the same category as medicare.
 

DurkaDurka

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Jobs and other considerations had to be taken
into account like it or not.Cars are not in the same category as medicare.

Well, that depends on your perspective. I believe you have a bias as your are older and will demand more from the health system. How about people 30 years your junior, I'm fairly certain they prefer a pay check opposed to
an MRI they might need 15 years from now.
 

Bar Sinister

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By all means jump on any workers in Canada who have decent wages and benefits. That will certainly help the economy. What's next, going after those layabout firemen and police officers?
 

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The money is being paid back because there profits are protected by putting import fees on competition from Korea and Japan.

Be careful who you threaten !!

If the money is being paid back, you have no complaint, because the government didn't subsidize union jobs, they loaned GM money.
 

Omicron

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The last time I checked, as a taxpayer, I still own part of GM
That means if it makes a profit it will reduce your taxes.

and some of the others.
Also, if I want to buy a Japanese or Korean car, I wind up paying a hidden import duty so that the jobs of our slackardes can be protected.
Then get out a whip and drive those assembly-line workers to go harder.

What gives here anyways???
Your non-knowledge of how economics works ever since bankers discovered in the 1700's how more bills could be printed than there is actually gold to back it is incredible.

Can't these Ontario bone heads complete in the world market??
If you'd read the SciAm article from years ago you'd know that Canadian and American worker productivity has maintained world class standards and how it's their management to have consistently screwed up... therefore you are on the side of selfish bad management seeking only a good hair-gel maker in order to keep the economy going, while you look for someone else to blame for the economy collapsing while you take as much from it as you can.

Technically, if you were a cell in a biological system, it would be like a cancer seeking ways to blame something else for the body dieing.

I subsidize their jobs by buying into their company, I subsidize their jobs by import duties and now I have to subsidize them through transfer payments.
You are a puppet of Lucifer.

I bet you don't know what whatzisname the billionaire who actually knows how to invest said.

He said, "Derivatives are like hell... easy to get in to, but impossible to get out of".

They need little education and little skills to work in a production line,
Are you nuts? Ever worked an assembly line???

It takes more self-discipline than I know how to describe in order to work an assembly line.

but they still make these huge wages and perks for working in a nice air conditioned production line,
What gives here anyways???
Jesus mother-f*cking Holy Christ you are so much a spokesperson for the pigs aware of what he's doing, or you've been brainwashed.

Did you know it wouldn't matter if you paid a person a trillion dollars per hour if he were to spend it back on his own economy?

Let me give you an example.

Japan has no resources, yet it maintains a first-world standard of living, even after their mortgage collapse of the early 90's.

Things happen there like how a guy with lots of money can pay a girl $100 per drink for her to sit with him and laugh while he gets hammered.

Personally, if I had to sit with an old fart drinking with him while he gets stupid it would have to be more like $500 per drink, but that's neither here nor there, plus personally I'd rather it be a fat old woman.

The point is they keep the money in the economy.

I want Harper put a cap on all auto worker wages, set it at, say $25/hr, including all perks..
You're insane on so many levels I want to stick a finger down my throat to puke before the sub-structure of my brain makes my stomach do it for me.

You don't know how economics works.

Do you have any idea how hard southern Ontario and Quebec workers will work if you'd give them a job that pays?
If they don't want to work for this wage, then Toronto has a lot of unemployed immigrants who would love this job at half this wage in a nice air-conditioned production line.
Ooo then lets bring in more immigrants to slave.
Cmon, Harper, we gave you majority, now use it to correct all of the screw ups of the Liberals and put Canada on a free market economy.
You make me want to vomit. What are you going to do after they replace all the workers with robots. Be an investor-owner? Great, now you have a planet occupied by slave-robots.

You want to be laying back on your fat blubber body barely able to lift your arm as a pretty robot brings you grapes and asks if you want your dick sucked.

I don't want to subsidize anybody and I want to buy my vehicles from any country without any duties.
Obviously you selfish moron.
So c'mon Harper, we gave you the power, now use it !!
Uhh... Harper might make it a condition that you go to church.
 
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Durry

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I say, pay the workers whatever the market dictates. Mind you, I'm for free enterprise. I'm really beginning to think that is a foreign concept to those on the far right.
Hahaha, a free market for workers means no unions to protect them.
You can't have a free market and a union at the same time.

Foreign concept, free market, unions ??
 

Omicron

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Hahaha, a free market for workers means no unions to protect them.
You can't have a free market and a union at the same time.

Foreign concept, free market, unions ??

Freedom means free, including people freely choosing to gang up.

Lemme guess... you've been so brainwashed you're going to have to google "oligopoly" in order to find out where your money is coming from.

Or do you actually know where you're thinking is coming from, and you've never been to church and you don't care that you are a puppet of Lucifer?
 

Omicron

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It also means the company is free not to hire people who gang up!!
It also means people don't have to buy the crap the company is selling.

You guys so have not been paying attention to what China is doing.

They got over Mao, and like their 3000 year history they pick up and learn, and I am the guy who's gong to f-cking stop Armageddon from happening... you a-holes.

I'm going to get them to put their wealth into galactic colonization. That old prophesy about Armageddon was just a statement about how things were going to turn out if things kept going the way they were. You don't know how to pray and you don't know how to love God.

So, being in a position as a nation having the resources China wants, what are you going to as an intelligent Canadian do?
 
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Durry

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It also means people don't have to buy the crap the company is selling.

Your right, your singing my song, that's my whole point, I don't want to buy that Canadian crap, I want to buy from the Koreans or Japanese, but the Canadian gov wants to penalize me thu a import tax. They do this to force me to buy that Ontario crap.

Got it??
 

Omicron

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Your right, your singing my song, that's my whole point, I don't want to buy that Canadian crap,
Except the crap you describe is all made in China.

Pretend you're a Canadian worker.

Are you telling me you're incapable of producing anything good?

Suppose it costs 30% to make something lasting 300% times longer?

You're driving me nuts because you're talking like you didn't notice that Germany, making the best stuff, was only overtaken by China by volume last year.

That means you didn't know that Germans have been feeding Europe with the best built stuff for the last couple decades.
 
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Durry

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Except the crap you describe is all made in China.

Pretend you're a Canadian worker.

Are you telling me you're incapable of producing anything good?

Suppose it costs 30% to make something lasting 300% times longer?

You're driving me nuts because you're talking like you didn't notice that Germany, making the best stuff, was only overtaken by China by volume last year.

That means you didn't know that Germans have been feeding Europe with the best built stuff for the last couple decades.

Errr, it sounds like your arguing against yourself.

Ok, I'll buy it, I will not buy that Ontario crap, I'll buy that German stuff instead. But why do I have to pay an import duty to get it here, why do I have to protect Ontario auto workers, can't they compete in the world auto market ? Ans. NO!!
 

Omicron

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Let's get back to basics.

Pretend you're a safety-deposit for gold, and you issue more recipes (notes) than for the amount of gold actually deposited.

Pretend you own land and can grow more food than people can get by hunting.
 

Durry

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Let's get back to basics.

Pretend you're a safety-deposit for gold, and you issue more recipes (notes) than for the amount of gold actually deposited.

Pretend you own land and can grow more food than people can get by hunting.

So?? Kinda off topic, I'd say !!