God's dealing with the nations of disbelievers
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we live in a world dominated by the capitalist economy, it's not even possible for a communist country to exist. yes there are countries that strive for socialism but ultimately still forced into adopting a 'free market' economy for survival.
you should read Micheal Parenti or watch videos on youtube of his speeches if you're interested in learning success of socialism, yes.
Why do you want 'socialism' and 'communism'? It is not just to let all people be equal in everything..
It can't be.. because people differ in their capabilities and ambitions and work.. so if all people are given the same gain, they will lax and be lazy.. it is against human nature.
But better than all:
Let no poverty among people, and let no needy one stay with his need.. that's the community will support each other.
Moreover, for the capitalist: there are many things that restrict them: no bribe, no usury, no monopoly, no cheating .. in addition the Zakat tax will be taken from him by force.
Another point: God has made people differ in their provision (this is true even among the communists and socialists: they differ among themselves with their provision: some of them are luxurious, and others are restricted)
God Most Gracious knows about His servants: some of them He enriches and others He impoverishes in a way of testing and trial.. and in this way also the work will keep going and life continues.. so why do you insist on something against normal human nature?
Some people are OK with much money, others are OK with moderate money.. some people given much riches may become tyrants, others when impoverished will blaspheme .. so it is a trial.. this needs a thread to be written.
(See, [Mohammed], how We prefer [with provision] some of them over others [in provision!]
And surely the Next Life is greater in ranks [for believers] and greater [than the ranks of the World] in preferment.)
More explanation
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/17.htm#a17_21
quran-ayat.com/pret/17.htm#a17_21
that's liberal definition of communism with no basis in reality. no communist talks about being equal in everything. equality in this sense means being treated with equal respect, not same wage or something.Why do you want 'socialism' and 'communism'? It is not just to let all people be equal in everything..
It can't be.. because people differ in their capabilities and ambitions and work.. so if all people are given the same gain, they will lax and be lazy.. it is against human nature.
But better than all:
Let no poverty among people, and let no needy one stay with his need.. that's the community will support each other.
Moreover, for the capitalist: there are many things that restrict them: no bribe, no usury, no monopoly, no cheating .. in addition the Zakat tax will be taken from him by force.
Another point: God has made people differ in their provision (this is true even among the communists and socialists: they differ among themselves with their provision: some of them are luxurious, and others are restricted)
God Most Gracious knows about His servants: some of them He enriches and others He impoverishes in a way of testing and trial.. and in this way also the work will keep going and life continues.. so why do you insist on something against normal human nature?
Some people are OK with much money, others are OK with moderate money.. some people given much riches may become tyrants, others when impoverished will blaspheme .. so it is a trial.. this needs a thread to be written.
(See, [Mohammed], how We prefer [with provision] some of them over others [in provision!]
And surely the Next Life is greater in ranks [for believers] and greater [than the ranks of the World] in preferment.)
More explanation
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/17.htm#a17_21
quran-ayat.com/pret/17.htm#a17_21
right now workers who run the economy are treated poorly, while the wealthy who are parasites, have too much power and worshiped by the ignorant.
There is some right, but not entirely:
The respect can be in every way: not necessarily the communism.
The respect should not be for money or position; the respect for the righteousness and piety, the disrespect for the transgression and wronging others and ungodliness.
Some description of the Christ or the Mahdi (I don't remember): "he does not show respect for person" it means: he does not consider the wealth or position or lineage of person: but only he considers his morals and righteousness or his indecency.