GOD

[snoproblem]

I think the main thing that both religious types and secular types tend to forget: people are people. A kind, wise, noble person will be a kind, wise, noble Christian/Jew/ Muslim/ Atheist, etc. An ignorant, selfish, cruel asshole will be an ignorant, selfish, cruel asshole of a Christian/Jew/ Muslim/ Atheist, etc.

People tend to find ways to rationalize and justify their dominant nature to suit whatever religious and cultural background in which they find themselves.

Me? I think certain home truths really are self-evident. A person either understands and internalizes those truths, or doesn't. The best you can do is try to reinforce that message through repetition and exemplification. All else is mere quacking.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: GOD

The Christians are an extension of the 12 Tribes.

Try telling that to a Hasidic Jew... :wink:

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: GOD

The Christians are an extension of the 12 Tribes.

Try telling that to a Hasidic Jew... :wink:

:lol: no doubt.


There is this...

http://www.nazarene.net/brit-am/

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Oh yeah...well how about this:

http://www5.ocn.ne.jp/~magi9/isracame.htm

 

[Jay]

My post is better than your's.. :wink:


I think there is merit to the Europe being the lost tribes though...especially in Biblical context...

I doubt you care mind you.... :wink:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

I think there is merit to the Europe being the lost tribes though...especially in Biblical context...

I doubt you care mind you.... :wink:

Why would you say that Jay?

Just because I don't find merit in anything taken in a Biblical context, doesn't mean that I don't care about the sociological damage that's been done by those who do.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

There's also this:

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mtentribes.html

For those of you disinclined to follow links, that article's conclusion is: "the ten lost tribes were conquered, and, like almost every other conquered people in the ancient world, lost their separate identity and were assimilated away into the sands of history."

There's no good evidence to suggest anything else happened to them, that's all just speculation without historical or archeological evidence to support any it.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Did you write that article Dex?

Either way, most impressive... :thumbleft:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Did you write that article Dex?

I wish. No, I didn't; I think it'd lack a certain credibility for me to reference myself that way. There are some pretty bright folks over there at the Straight Dope, but I'm not one of them. They want money before they'll let you register. Doesn't keep out the dipsticks either, though it does reduce their numbers.

 

[Jay]

There's also this:

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mtentribes.html

For those of you disinclined to follow links, that article's conclusion is: "the ten lost tribes were conquered, and, like almost every other conquered people in the ancient world, lost their separate identity and were assimilated away into the sands of history."

There's no good evidence to suggest anything else happened to them, that's all just speculation without historical or archeological evidence to support any it.

But I think the link I put up does offer a good reason to believe that the tribes moved north into Europe...then some moved to North America.

 

[Jay]

I think there is merit to the Europe being the lost tribes though...especially in Biblical context...

I doubt you care mind you.... :wink:

Why would you say that Jay?

Just because I don't find merit in anything taken in a Biblical context, doesn't mean that I don't care about the sociological damage that's been done by those who do.

We are small potatoes compared to the secular aspects of "damage".

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[Reverend Blair]

But I think the link I put up does offer a good reason to believe that the tribes moved north into Europe...then some moved to North America.

What about the people on Battlestar Galactica? Weren't they one of the lost tribes too? :wink:

 

[Jay]

Yes, but we know where they are....

 

[Dexter Sinister]

But I think the link I put up does offer a good reason to believe that the tribes moved north into Europe...then some moved to North America.

Really? Looks like Grade A pseudo-scientific b.s. to me. I don't think it offers a reason to believe anything, except possibly that Yair Davidy's a bit of a nutbar on the subject of the Ten Lost Tribes. There's nothing at that site to justify such a belief, it doesn't do anything more than just make the claims, there's no evidence offered.

And I'd bet heavily that if I read the books Davidy's offering, I'd find a tissue of fabrications, stretched coincidences, strained analogies, grandiose claims, and bad logic, in the style of Erik von Daniken and Emmanuel Velikovsky and Graham Hancock and a host of other spouters of half-baked nonsense. That's certainly the tone of the site, and of the excerpts from his books that are linked. You can't just claim that your conclusions are the result of intensive research and are fully documented, ya gotta produce the documentation and it's gotta survive peer review by other experts in the field, or it'll have no scientific credibility.

It seems far more likely that the tribes were simply scattered and assimilated out of existence. That's pretty much what happened to every other conquered people in the ancient world. Ockham's Razor: the simplest explanation is the one most likely to be correct. There's also a relatively simple way to prove or disprove the claim. If in fact the Ten Lost Tribes are now certain ethnic groups in western Europe and North America (did you notice how the Germans were left out of his little tabulation?), there will be genetic markers in those populations proving the relationship to modern Israelis. Until I see that data from a reputable geneticist, I ain't buyin' it.