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Vanni Fucci

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I think not said:
Vanni you are taking things out of context,

Am I?

I think not said:
7:6 refers to the sacrificial laws that were done away with NOT the ten commandments you are implying.

Does it?

I think not said:
There is no doubt JC asked to maintain the Old Testament, his teachings are an extent of it, not a replacement.

Are they?

7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that
which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I find no evidence that this chapter refers to sacrificial laws, but plenty of evidence to support that Jesus was speaking entirely of the Old Testament commandments...

I interpret this to mean that the Ten Commandments are not enough to keep one sinless, because the laws are spiritual, and humanity is carnal, and so should be abandonded for the new laws as dictated by JC himself...
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
Yes

Vanni Fucci said:
Yes

Vanni Fucci said:
Are they?
Yes

Vanni Fucci said:
I find no evidence that this chapter refers to sacrificial laws, but plenty of evidence to support that Jesus was speaking entirely of the Old Testament commandments...

I interpret this to mean that the Ten Commandments are not enough to keep one sinless, because the laws are spiritual, and humanity is carnal, and so should be abandonded for the new laws as dictated by JC himself...

Which Laws Died on the "Cross"?
 

Vanni Fucci

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If that be true, and without too much fuss, I am almost willing to concede to you that it is, then the law that the Christians cite concerning homosexuality does not apply to them.

Not only that, but Christians are all guilty of offending God's laws according to the 4th Commandment, as the Commandments are derived from the Hebrew scriptures, which held that Sabbath in Israel was always on a Saturday, and yet the Christians choose to hold Sabbath on Sunday...so all Christians will be consigned to the flames that burn but do not consume...poor bastards...
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
If that be true, and without too much fuss, I am almost willing to concede to you that it is, then the law that the Christians cite concerning homosexuality does not apply to them.

I agree, because it dogma that has taught them that. Not the bible.

Vanni Fucci said:
Not only that, but Christians are all guilty of offending God's laws according to the 4th Commandment, as the Commandments are derived from the Hebrew scriptures, which held that Sabbath in Israel was always on a Saturday, and yet the Christians choose to hold Sabbath on Sunday...so all Christians will be consigned to the flames that burn but do not consume...poor bastards...

That was handed down allegedly during creation by God. Here's a bit of a read that may clear that up for you:

http://www.catholic.com/library/sabbath_or_sunday.asp
 

Vanni Fucci

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I think not said:
That was handed down allegedly during creation by God. Here's a bit of a read that may clear that up for you:

http://www.catholic.com/library/sabbath_or_sunday.asp

No, that doesn't clear up much...it doesn't much explain why the seventh day was changed from Saturday, as observed by the Israelites, to Sunday as observed by the Christians...when the Ten Commandments were allegedly give to Moses on Mt. Sinai after the people of Israel entered into a covenant with God, the 4th Commandment demanded that they keep the Sabbath, which was to be held on the seventh day. The Israelites reckoned the seventh day to be Saturday, and the Sabbath would be from sundown Friday, to sundown on Saturday. When Constantine changed to Sunday the day that Christianity observed to be the day of Sabbath, the Christians have not kept the Sabbath as originally demanded by God.

Holy crap...look at me arguing as if I actually believe in this twaddle... :roll:
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
I think not said:
That was handed down allegedly during creation by God. Here's a bit of a read that may clear that up for you:

http://www.catholic.com/library/sabbath_or_sunday.asp

No, that doesn't clear up much...it doesn't much explain why the seventh day was changed from Saturday, as observed by the Israelites, to Sunday as observed by the Christians...when the Ten Commandments were allegedly give to Moses on Mt. Sinai after the people of Israel entered into a covenant with God, the 4th Commandment demanded that they keep the Sabbath, which was to be held on the seventh day. The Israelites reckoned the seventh day to be Saturday, and the Sabbath would be from sundown Friday, to sundown on Saturday. When Constantine changed to Sunday the day that Christianity observed to be the day of Sabbath, the Christians have not kept the Sabbath as originally demanded by God.

Holy crap...look at me arguing as if I actually believe in this twaddle... :roll:

Vanni: In all seriousness, have you read the Da Vinci Code? If not, I think you would be interested. If you have, what were your thoughts?
 

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I read part of it. Needs more character development, or maybe just some believable characters. I think it's more interesting as a social phenomenon than as a piece of literature...pop literature, maybe?
 

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Reverend Blair said:
I read part of it. Needs more character development, or maybe just some believable characters. I think it's more interesting as a social phenomenon than as a piece of literature...pop literature, maybe?


I couldn't put it down when I read it...I've always been interested in that sort of thing.

Sure is pop literature if you ask me.
 

Vanni Fucci

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Reverend Blair said:
I read part of it. Needs more character development, or maybe just some believable characters. I think it's more interesting as a social phenomenon than as a piece of literature...pop literature, maybe?

What intrigued me more was that the Archbishop of Genoa publicly denounced the book as "shameful and unfounded lies".

Well the book is a work of fiction, so that's understandable that there would be a certain amount of artistic license to the story.

So I wonder why the Church is so concerned about it...
 

Jay

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"So I wonder why the Church is so concerned about it..."


You have to read it. Once you do, and you realize the impact it has had on people, you will see why the Church feels compelled to react to it.
 

Vanni Fucci

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Jay said:
"So I wonder why the Church is so concerned about it..."


You have to read it. Once you do, and you realize the impact it has had on people, you will see why the Church feels compelled to react to it.

As far as I know Jay, none of Dan Brown's literature is sold in the non-fiction section of better book stores... :wink:
 

Jay

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It says it's a novel on the cover of the book, :wink:

I would be leery of book stores that didn't pick up on that....