Reverend Blair said:
They do have a historical record for that time, it's called "THE BIBLE!" There's also a cave drawing and a tome mentioning Jesus.
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They do have a historical record for that time, it's called "THE BIBLE!" There's also a cave drawing and a tome mentioning Jesus.
The Bible is not an historical document, it is a religious one. None of the New Testament was even written during Jesus' lifetime.
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The bible tells a story, maybe it was not written at the same time as Jesus' life but it was written not long after. Would you suggest that when Herodotus wrote about wars before him that is not historical?
Reverend Blair said:
The bible tells a story, maybe it was not written at the same time as Jesus' life but it was written not long after. Would you suggest that when Herodotus wrote about wars before him that is not historical?
Stringing up political prisoners was generally mentioned though. Jewish historians most likely would have mentioned somebody who was so threatening to those in power.
Look at it this way...According to the story he was born during a census. Both his father and he were carpenters...a pretty important gig in a land without much wood. He was a healer. He was a preacher. He was a political problem. He lived in a time of political upheaval.
You'd think somebody would have written something down.
Look at it this way...According to the story he was born during a census. Both his father and he were carpenters...a pretty important gig in a land without much wood. He was a healer. He was a preacher. He was a political problem. He lived in a time of political upheaval.
You'd think somebody would have written something down.
I know what you mean, and I respect the position.
They may not have needed it, after all the people (some) were calling him King, and they crucified him. That’s a pretty good deterrent, and no explanation may have been necessary. Judea was a nothing province far off in the east, compared to far more prevalent places in Roman territory. It is amazing anything ever came of any of it.
They may not have needed it, after all the people (some) were calling him King, and they crucified him. That’s a pretty good deterrent, and no explanation may have been necessary. Judea was a nothing province far off in the east, compared to far more prevalent places in Roman territory. It is amazing anything ever came of any of it.
But we have a fair amount of history from that era from both the Jews and the Romans. A lot of it talks about much more mundane things.
There's no proof of Jesus, so a person named James may or may not have had a brother of that name.
That's a pretty big if though. We would need more than his say so, since he was basically starting a cult.
The Philosopher said:
As the good Rev has pointed out, the Bible is not a historical document, and should not be regarded as such...
Cave drawing? Where? Please provide a link...
Tome mentioning Jesus? Yes, there were several writers that mentioned Jesus, most of them had not yet been born before Jesus was allegedly crucified. Others have had their works manipulated by apologists to include references to Jesus.
For instance: Many will cite the works of Josephus Flavius as proof of Jesus' existence. However, most true historians will refute that claim as being a forgery perpetrated by 2nd century self-proclaimed historian of Christ, and blatant liar, Eusebius of Caesarea. Even the Catholic Church views his works with skepticism.
The reason that many historians discount Josephus' reference to Jesus, is because it does not fit into the context of the preceding or succeeding passages. It just does not fit, and so it is reasoned that it was added after. The most likely culprit they've concluded, was Eusebius, he had great influence in the early Church and he openly advocated the use of fraud and deception in furthering the interests of the Church
So, if Jesus actually existed, why would Eusebius be compelled to alter another author's works to provide evidence of his existence?
"So, if Jesus actually existed, why would Eusebius be compelled to alter another author's works to provide evidence of his existence?"
If it is indeed an addition, it could be because of the lack of documentation....
No serious Christian would make up anything about the Christ though....that would be a grave error.
If it is indeed an addition, it could be because of the lack of documentation....
No serious Christian would make up anything about the Christ though....that would be a grave error.
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Yet it is well documented that this is exactly what happened...
Do so reading on the Ecumenical Councils, Jay...these jokers made it all up on the fly...
Jay said:
Yet it is well documented that this is exactly what happened...
Do so reading on the Ecumenical Councils, Jay...these jokers made it all up on the fly...