Go into all the world and preach the gospel

Dalreg

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sanctus said:
Yes, the Gospel still needs to be taught and preached. Hearing about Jesus is not the same as hearing the Gospel. Obviously, with the secularism of our present day society, the Church is more necessary than at any other time in Canada's history.
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Who are you to say the gospel still needs to be taught? I disagree with the church being needed at all. The world would be awhole lot better if people stopped using religion to justify anything. In fact in my view the world would be a better place with no religion.

As soon as there is one religion others will choose something different. The result, is the root of all evil. Religion!
 
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sanctus said:
Sigh. how I wish some folk would stop putting words in people's mouths. I did not deny the events, nor did I state the priests were being "picked upon." I wrote that the actual statistics on the subject do not make for the whole. In other words, as shameful and as wrong as such cases are, let's not fall victim to propaganda and colour the entire building black because of a few white splotches.
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A few? thousands, and it is sickening and dispicable, and the church, chose to sweep most of it under
the rug, and still would if they could, the only thing they are sorry about, is that they got caught.
It's not propaganda, and the perishoners should be the first ones to be ashamed of what their
"so called" goodness produces.

How dare you make this seem like it is being blown out of proportion. How much of that behavior
is still happening, and noone knows about it, and how many children are being violated right now,
and children are being threatened so they won't tell.

It is a huge problem, and that crap you spout on these pages "is" the propaganda.
 
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Dalreg said:
Who are you to say the gospel still needs to be taught? I disagree with the church being needed at all. The world would be awhole lot better if people stopped using religion to justify anything. In fact in my view the world would be a better place with no religion.

As soon as there is one religion others will choose something different. The result, is the root of all evil. Religion!
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Why should I not be one who says the Gospel still needs to be taught? My opinion is as valid as anyone else's on this, or any, topic. And yes, I think we are still in need of Gospel based teaching in our society.

You are talking of an outward sign, organized relgion, as opposed to the Gospel. Well one certainly supports the other, that is not what the Pope spoke of, per se.

Why do you see it as the root of all evil? I rather think human pride and greed is more evil than faith in God.
 
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gopher said:
Which liberal points of view did you disagree with?

I saw him as doctrinally moderate and as someone who always sought the middle course in disputes of all kinds.
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I think the former Pope was, in many respects, a devout and caring man.

I disagreed with what many see as his pandering to other religions, especially the Assissi gatherings, which I personally am quite ashamed of on the Church's behalf.
 
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talloola said:
A few? thousands, and it is sickening and dispicable, and the church, chose to sweep most of it under
the rug, and still would if they could, the only thing they are sorry about, is that they got caught.
It's not propaganda, and the perishoners should be the first ones to be ashamed of what their
"so called" goodness produces.

How dare you make this seem like it is being blown out of proportion. How much of that behavior
is still happening, and noone knows about it, and how many children are being violated right now,
and children are being threatened so they won't tell.

It is a huge problem, and that crap you spout on these pages "is" the propaganda.
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It is despicable, and appalling. i am not trying to minimize the pain and suffering of the people involved. However, that being said, statistics do not bear witness to this being an epidemic. Reliable sources indicate that less than 4% of all clergy in the USA, for example, have been involved in such behaviour.

And yes, the media is blowing it our of proportion, for that is what the media does. The scandal in the Church is no worse than the scandal in general.
 
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tracy said:
I really can't imagine people nowadays haven't heard all about the church and its teachings. I don't need them to educate me anymore. I don't know which church Sanctus belongs to, but I can't imagine it's one that I would feel at home in. If he likes it, great. It just isn't for me.
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Sanctus is Catholic. Note- the usage of Latin should've been a clue:)
 
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sanctus said:
Why not? What is it about the Mass that would make you uncomfortable attending one?
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I just disagree with the catholic church on most issues. The role of women, their views on other religions, their views on sexuality, their views on birth control, the focus on rituals, the wealth they display in the face of poverty... all those things would make me uncomfortable with going to church there. It was a fine fit for my grandma in her time but it doesn't fit me today.
 
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sanctus said:
I think the former Pope was, in many respects, a devout and caring man.

I disagreed with what many see as his pandering to other religions, especially the Assissi gatherings, which I personally am quite ashamed of on the Church's behalf.
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Pandering? Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't those interfaith meetings conducted with a view towards evangelism? This, I thought, was in keeping with Pope John's Vatican II Ecumenical Council {1963} which sought to make the Church as inclusionary as possible and which has been the foundation of Catholic teaching ever since that fateful direction was started.
 
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sanctus said:
- Pope John Paul II


Mark 16:15-16
15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
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Yep. Sounds just as intrusive as big gov't. I can think of a few African, SouthAm, etc. tribes who could've done w/out the preaching or at least the people doing the preaching.
Anyway, I guess we atheists, Muslims, Taoists, Shintoists, Buddhists, Sikh, Hindus, Pagans, Wiccans, Baha'i, Confucians, Jainists, etc. are all condemned. Shucks. Might as well go shoot ourselves now. :roll:
 
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L Gilbert said:
Yep. Sounds just as intrusive as big gov't. I can think of a few African, SouthAm, etc. tribes who could've done w/out the preaching or at least the people doing the preaching.
Anyway, I guess we atheists, Muslims, Taoists, Shintoists, Buddhists, Sikh, Hindus, Pagans, Wiccans, Baha'i, Confucians, Jainists, etc. are all condemned. Shucks. Might as well go shoot ourselves now. :roll:
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As a parent, I made it very clear to my children that I would teach them, advise them, help them,
as much as I can, but in the end if they decide to make other decisions with their lives, other than
ones that I would have made, or dissagree with me about one or many opinions that I might have,
"that is OK, I will still love them, and respect them for being strong and "thinking for themselves"

but, if your "god" sees you decide to make other decisions which don't agree with his teachings,
you will be condemed.

Poor paranting
 
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gopher said:
Pandering? Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't those interfaith meetings conducted with a view towards evangelism? This, I thought, was in keeping with Pope John's Vatican II Ecumenical Council {1963} which sought to make the Church as inclusionary as possible and which has been the foundation of Catholic teaching ever since that fateful direction was started.
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The interfaith meetings were not evangelizing meetings. there was little or no attempt to correct the beliefs of the participants. Regardless of Pope John's injunctions at Vatican Two, not all members of the Catholic Body agree with such a new take on other religions. I fall into that category. to be honest, I felt shame that the Vicar of Christ was joined in prayer with pagans and people outside of the Church.

You are not, certainly, required to agree with me. However, as a Catholic I very much subscribe to the "
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus" teachings that are one of the foundational teachings of the Church.
 
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