Globalization and its Effects on Emerging Economies

[Said1]

Re: RE: Globalization and its Effects on Emerging Economies

A small version of it, yes it would. But small not-for-profits are confined and fall under the regulations of the jurisdictions they work in. NGO's do no thave these legal barriers, the same NGO can hop from one country to another without adhering to local regulations or laws. Tell me the NGO will expire after their mission is complete in a particular country and I would find that more plausible providing they are forced to adhere to that countries regulations and laws. Guess what? They don't right now.

What is "sitrix"?

Check my website in my profile.

Education is key, especially in developing nations.

 

[I think not]

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Yes of course their are many NGO's. But the ones that screw around are far more than the reputable ones, and even the reputable ones have HUGE overhead costs, not to mention HUGE CEO salaries.

And no I didn't mean the UN, I mean it could be some sort of UN branch, one NGO in each continent, overseen even by UN or the countries within the continent. There are over 4 million NGO's right now operating globally, their budgets are in the 100's of billions. You really believe all these NGO's work? They don't call them BINGO's for nothing.

I didn't say all of them work, perhaps I should have been NGO specific when I made that comment. Sheesh, you said NONE of them work, which is just silly.

Overseen by the UN, a bureaucratic cesspool? Are you serious?

Well, I should have leanred by now I have to be careful putting everybody under the same umbrella

Yes of course there many that work and have very low overhead. CARE comes to mind for one thing, their overhead is EXTREMELY low, last I had checked they were under 10%.

It doesn't HAVE to be under the UN, it can be a new NGO of sorts, one that can be held accountable to someone or something. Large NGO's like CARE, sometimes are "legalised" within the country they operate in. I just think billions are spent needlessly when they can be better administered through some sort of global NGO of sorts. Get rid of the little NGO's, all they do is make money for those who operate it and those they work with.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Globalization and its Effects on Emerging Economies

A small version of it, yes it would. But small not-for-profits are confined and fall under the regulations of the jurisdictions they work in. NGO's do no thave these legal barriers, the same NGO can hop from one country to another without adhering to local regulations or laws. Tell me the NGO will expire after their mission is complete in a particular country and I would find that more plausible providing they are forced to adhere to that countries regulations and laws. Guess what? They don't right now.

What is "sitrix"?

Check my website in my profile.

Education is key, especially in developing nations.

I assure you in North America we have just as much need. Our students cannot afford it anymore. That goes for both sides of the border.

 

[Said1]

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Well, I should have leanred by now I have to be careful putting everybody under the same umbrella

Yes of course there many that work and have very low overhead. CARE comes to mind for one thing, their overhead is EXTREMELY low, last I had checked they were under 10%.

It doesn't HAVE to be under the UN, it can be a new NGO of sorts, one that can be held accountable to someone or something. Large NGO's like CARE, sometimes are "legalised" within the country they operate in. I just think billions are spent needlessly when they can be better administered through some sort of global NGO of sorts. Get rid of the little NGO's, all they do is make money for those who operate it and those they work with.

I'll just say I agree. It's late, and I think we're all getting a little crotchety!

 

[I think not]

Bah, tomorrow is another day, another NGO

 

[Said1]

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I assure you in North America we have just as much need. Our students cannot afford it anymore. That goes for both sides of the border.

I know, I have difficulty paying my own tuition, and I go part-part-time. On the other hand, some developing nations have literacy rates as low at 50% - the majority women. There is so much emphasis on education, yet the basics are unattainable for so many.

 

[I think not]

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I assure you in North America we have just as much need. Our students cannot afford it anymore. That goes for both sides of the border.

I know, I have difficulty paying my own tuition, and I go part-part-time. On the other hand, some developing nations have literacy rates as low at 50% - the majority women. There is so much emphasis on education, yet the basics are unattainable for so many.

This is why I hate ALL politicians, some of them have come from truly humble backgrounds and once they have some sort of power they forget where they came from.

They have shown no regard for students and how difficult it is for them. It's horrible. And yes developing nations need more than we do. Well maybe in 30 years Sitrix might be a 8) NGO and not a BINGO

 

[Reverend Blair]

Why do you say that?

Because it seems to me that it would be a useful course. I have a feeling we'll be on different sides of this issue. I'm on the side that catches the tear gas cannisters.

8O

You really believe all these NGO's work?

It depends on the NGO, but yes they do work. They provide aid where aid is needed. They often go into places that are dangerous. They often risk their lives.

Overseen by the UN, a bureaucratic cesspool? Are you serious?

What else have you got? Northern governments are worse than the UN because of their imperialist goals. NGOs, left to their own devices, tend to flop around ineffectually and are even less likely to be able to get permissions etc from local governments and insurgents.

 

[Said1]

Because it seems to me that it would be a useful course. I have a feeling we'll be on different sides of this issue. I'm on the side that catches the tear gas cannisters.

I don't like you for some reason. Perhaps it's your obnoxious need to educate when there is no need, or your misinterpretation of the word "if". I'll sleep on it and let you know, kay?

What else have you got? Northern governments are worse than the UN because of their imperialist goals. NGOs, left to their own devices, tend to flop around ineffectually and are even less likely to be able to get permissions etc from local governments and insurgents.

So the UN is supposed to force governments into working with NGOs? I think developing nations might (yes, that's a big "might") be more willing to work with NGOs if that was a condition of recieving funds. But then, who protects the NGOs in unstable areas, the soldiers need to eat too. What an awful mess.

Unfortunatly (as you know) most aid is tied, I doubt western govs are going to give that up soon.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I don't like you for some reason. Perhaps it's your obnoxious need to educate when there is no need, or your misinterpretation of the word "if". I'll sleep on it and let you know, kay?

Maybe it's my habit of tossing the tear gas cannisters back. :roll:

So the UN is supposed to force governments into working with NGOs? I think developing nations might (yes, that's a big "might") be more willing to work with NGOs if that was a condition of recieving funds.

The UN certainly shouldn't be excluded and there needs to be somebody coordinating things. So I ask again, what else have you got? Are you going to set up another agency, independent of the UN, just to oversee aid? There is nobody else and the developing nations have pretty much had it with rich nations (along with the World Bank and the IMF) tying aid.

The UN cannot force anybody to do anything, as you might have figured out, but they are the only agency we have that can do the job.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

The UN cannot force anybody to do anything, as you might have figured out, but they are the only agency we have that can do the job.

Well, there's the International Committe of the Red Cross and Red Crescent...they have a similar mandate to that of the UN Humanitarian organizations...

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Globalization and its

They work with the UN whenever possible though, Vanni. They also do not have have all of the resources needed to oversee this kind of thing.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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They work with the UN whenever possible though, Vanni. They also do not have have all of the resources needed to oversee this kind of thing.

Agreed...and the Red Cross/Crescent is just an off-shoot of those bastard Templars... 8O

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Globalization and its

I think they're over the whole knight thing by now though...at least they've given up the tin suits.

 

[Said1]

[Maybe it's my habit of tossing the tear gas cannisters back. :roll:

No, perhaps you're a little too reactionary. And BTW, those cannisters I'm throwing are all in your head. Seriously.

The UN certainly shouldn't be excluded and there needs to be somebody coordinating things. So I ask again, what else have you got? Are you going to set up another agency, independent of the UN, just to oversee aid? There is nobody else and the developing nations have pretty much had it with rich nations (along with the World Bank and the IMF) tying aid.

The UN cannot force anybody to do anything, as you might have figured out, but they are the only agency we have that can do the job.

There is no reason why an NGO can't work closer with the African Union for example. And let's not forget UNICEF (the UN, I know, I knw), that part of the UN could be expanded and also work in conjuction with NGOs. Im sure developing nations are tired of conditional aid, but let's get real, many developing nations have leaders just as corrupt as any western leader.

I think we're going to be surprised by S. America over the coming years. As much as I distrust Chavez, his idea of working from within (S. America) first economically is probably dead on.

 

[I think not]

I think we're going to be surprised by S. America over the coming years. As much as I distrust Chavez, his idea of working from within (S. America) first economically is probably dead on.

I agree with you Said. S. America will grow rapidly and we in the North should do more to help them grow.

 

[Jay]

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Agreed...and the Red Cross/Crescent is just an off-shoot of those bastard Templars... 8O

St. Johns ambulance is an off-shoot of the Knights of Malta....

Do gooders!!

 

[Reverend Blair]

And BTW, those cannisters I'm throwing are all in your head. Seriously.

I never you were throwing them, I said I was on the side that catches them.

There is no reason why an NGO can't work closer with the African Union for example. And let's not forget UNICEF (the UN, I know, I knw), that part of the UN could be expanded and also work in conjuction with NGOs.

I believe part of Annan's proposed reforms are to have the aid part of the UN take on more responsibility.

Im sure developing nations are tired of conditional aid, but let's get real, many developing nations have leaders just as corrupt as any western leader.

Yup. The problem isn't always with corruption though. In the case of aid it's also things like having to accept GMO crops from Monsanto or having to use expensive AIDS drugs instead of cheaper generic versions. Outside of aid, and there's a lot more to globalisation than that, the massive subsidies the the US and EU pay to their agricultural sector, the lack developing countries being able to impose duties to protect an industry while it grows, and the involvement of large corporations.

 

[Said1]

I believe part of Annan's proposed reforms are to have the aid part of the UN take on more responsibility.

I think their efforts would be better spent on humanitarian efforts.

Yup. The problem isn't always with corruption though. In the case of aid it's also things like having to accept GMO crops from Monsanto or having to use expensive AIDS drugs instead of cheaper generic versions. Outside of aid, and there's a lot more to globalisation than that, the massive subsidies the the US and EU pay to their agricultural sector, the lack developing countries being able to impose duties to protect an industry while it grows, and the involvement of large corporations.

Not to mention the outdated and otherwise banned garbage dumped on them. If I remember correctly, Tanzania (for one) recieved farm equimpment that was too expensive to repair, and wasn't very pratcial given the type of farming in the areas the equipment was shipped. People want to help, but don't seem to consider the realities many countries are facing.

Development does little in the way of helping the local populations when you consider the amount of people who are excluded due to lack of technical expertise and basic education. I will say it as many times as I have to "education is the key".

Just as an aside, Chirac has agreed to cut 6 billion worth of subsidies to France's agriculatural sector (I'm not sure if it was agri specifically). It was a trade off with Britain of course, but still, it's a start!

 

[Reverend Blair]

Just as an aside, Chirac has agreed to cut 6 billion worth of subsidies to France's agriculatural sector (I'm not sure if it was agri specifically). It was a trade off with Britain of course, but still, it's a start!

France has made this kind of promise before. Then their farmers protest and the French government gives in.

Not to mention the outdated and otherwise banned garbage dumped on them. If I remember correctly, Tanzania (for one) recieved farm equimpment that was too expensive to repair, and wasn't very pratcial given the type of farming in the areas the equipment was shipped. People want to help, but don't seem to consider the realities many countries are facing.

Yup. Nobody is building the equivalent of Cockshutt 30s or Massey 55s though. Those are very simple tractors and the equipment from the same vintage is equally simple. Most things can fixed with a few wrenches, a hammer, and a welder. Their small size also makes them very versatile. Hell, I know farmers here that wish that kind of equipment would come back. It's good, it's cheap. Nobody builds it anymore though. It isn't big enough for northern farming techniques.

An excellent project would be to set up a plant that builds that kind of equipment someplace in Africa. They could build them and have equipment that they could use. No profit in that for northern corporations though.

Development does little in the way of helping the local populations when you consider the amount of people who are excluded due to lack of technical expertise and basic education. I will say it as many times as I have to "education is the key".

So that has to be specified in trade agreements. No child labour. Education mandatory and paid for by the state.