Giant Steps Towards Cashless/Surveillance Society In London

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Giant Steps Towards Cashless/Surveillance Society Going On Unnoticed In London
Tube fares go up if you want to use cash, go down if you use cashless "smartcard"
Steve Watson | October 04 2005

We have previously exposed how there is a movement afoot towards a cashless society, to be tied into the surveillance database grid behind national ID cards and Biometric Passports and driving licenses.

A cashless society would mean total control over everyone as people would be forced to pay for everything electronically. Every purchase would be traceable and the ability to buy or sell could be halted immediately at any given moment.

The latest beta tests are going on at the moment with electronic smartcards, biometric readers and RFID tags, which are gaining increasing momentum despite mass public distrust of such devices.

The BBC has today reported on how London's transport fares are to be put up, but only for people who wish to pay in cash. For those who get an electronic smart card, the price will go down.

The Mayor even had the nerve to state that it was the "free choice" of people as to whether they continue to pay by cash.

The oyster card is waved over a reader in underground stations to gain entry, users top it up as they would credit on a cell phone.



Its is all about getting people used to a cashless society in which it is deemed an inconvenience to have actual money. It will become positively embarrassing to be seen to hold up the queue because you want to use real money.

I live in London and I only occasionally use the tube, thus I have no call to get an Oyster card. This is clearly aimed at people who do not need a smart card but will be easily persuaded if the price is right.

It has been previously exposed how Oyster cards are also used to track commuters.

The ad campaign behind the card is that it's easier and less hassle and can magically transport you quicker, something that anyone who uses the Northern line regularly will know is BS.



We have continually warned how these big brother tools will be marketed as convenient as well as cool and fashionable. Even the Oyster Smartcard is being marketed in this way as people are wearing it on handbags and clothing.


The ultimate element of a controlled cashless society is of course the implantable microchip. We have previously exposed how this is being used in Europe to gain VIP access to nightclubs and pay for drinks.

How long will it be before we have to take the chip to get on the tube?


Tubes and buses hit by fare hike

BBC | October 04 2005

Tube and bus fares in London paid for with cash are set to increase next year, the Mayor has announced.

A single Tube journey in zone one will cost £3 instead of £2 while a single bus journey will rise from £1.20 to £1.50, said Mayor Ken Livingstone.

However fares will fall for holders of the Oyster pre-pay smartcards.

With Oyster, a zone one Tube ride will be cut from £1.70 to £1.50 - half the cash fare. Mr Livingstone said the aim was for fewer people to pay with cash.

Speaking at City Hall, Mr Livingstone said the increased fares to be introduced from January would raise about £80m.

'World's most expensive'

"This proposed fares package focuses on halving the number of cash journeys made in 2006 to speed up journeys and improve the efficiency of the network," he said.

He conceded the new single Tube fare of £3 would probably be the most expensive in the world.

Roger Evans, conservative chairman of the London Assembly Transport Committee, said: "How can the Mayor expect people to leave their cars at home when bus and Tube tickets are spiralling out of control?"


London Assembly Lib Dems said the price hikes would clobber tourists and ultimately businesses during what is already a difficult time in the wake of the London bomb attacks.
Geoff Pope, Liberal Democrat London Assembly Transport spokesman, said it would also hit those who cannot use Oyster cards because the majority of train companies running services to and from the capital still refuse to accept them.

The fares announcement was also criticised by business representatives as being "desperately short-sighted" in view of the current retail slump on the high street and recent rise in the congestion charge.

"The Mayor seems determined to kill off London business by putting up the cost of visiting the capital by tube, bus or car," said Victoria Carson, spokesperson for the Forum of Private Business.

A further rise in fares is expected in 2007, the last of three previously announced price hikes.

The basic fare on London's buses rose by 20p to £1.20 in January this year.

From August this year, all under-16s have been entitled to free travel on London's buses and trams and this will be extended to all under-18s in full-time education by September next year.
 

mrmom2

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Re: Giant Steps Towards Cashless/Surveillance Society In Lon

This thread should be folded in it all goes together .People need to wake up and see whats happening
More Than 112 Million Consumers Give Thumbs Up to Biometrics
 

Cosmo

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RE: Giant Steps Towards C

God this stuff scares the shit out of me! George Orwell wasn't really writing fiction, now was he?

I do what I can to fly under the radar. I don't use credit or credit cards, I use cash instead of my bank card whenever I can, I try to keep all my transactions as record free as possible. I've learned just how tough that is in today's world!
 

Colpy

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RE: Giant Steps Towards Cashless/Surveillance Society In Lon

This stuff is very scary. I have never used a debit card. Nice, anonymous cash for me, thank you.

It keeps me employed moving the stuff as a sort of bonus.
 

Jay

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RE: Giant Steps Towards Cashless/Surveillance Society In Lon

I use debit to access my accounts all the time. I just don't use third party cards like airmiles.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Giant Steps Towards C

I pay cash and try to only use the bank machine at my branch of the Credit Union.

The thing about that is that it only works for some people. Back when I was travelling I lived on credit cards. You need them for hotels and rental cars and plane tickets. When I was travelling, there was a bizarre amount of junk mail coming here. It's like we were on every mailing list. Now there's very little junk mail that shows up here. Funny how that works.
 

Twila

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I spent a large portion of my life with no credit cards and such....until I needed to purchase a new car...and had no credit......

You can't rent a car with out one...you can't rent anything but a u-haul truck which is scary enough!

Every time you pay any cpp or ei, they track you. Every time you file income tax...they track you.

they've been tracking me since I was born....I don't care......although the pressure to increase my penis and breat size is starting to get to me.....and if it wasn't for the fact that I'm trying to GAIN weight I might take them up on their offer to loose 10lbs.....
 

#juan

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Re: Giant Steps Towards Cashless/Surveillance Society In Lon

If you don't have a credit card, you will have some fun renting a car or even making hotel reservations for travel or vacations. I'm afraid it has very nearly already happened. Some stores no longer accept cheques.
 

Canucklehead

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RE: Giant Steps Towards C

I too stay as far under the radar as possible.

Just as bad as having your every move tracked through payment/withdrawal records is the fact that none of the financial institutions have strong enough security on their systems to protect your data. It would be interesting to see peoples' /society's thoughts on this topic if MC/Visa/Amex got hacked and their account details published on the net instead of used for ID theft as was the case a few months back.
 

MMMike

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RE: Giant Steps Towards Cashless/Surveillance Society In Lon

Here in Toronto we have the Dexit system which seems to be the same concept. I like it - very convenient. As long as it is a voluntary thing, I won't worry too much about the privacy concerns.

Thats just me.
 

richmondrichmond

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Debxit in Toronto is useless. It's not popular at all. Hongkong has been using what they called the Octopus card since 1996. Everybody has one in HK. The reason that it's so popular there is that, you just purchase the card from say a subway station with a US$10 deposit. Then you can put whatever amount you like on the card. Say $100. Whenever you want to increase the value, you just go to a subway station, 7/11...etc to do it. And you can use it for almost anything, vending machines, all public transit, mobile phone store,anyting you name it.

I 've heard from the news today that Toronto is finally investing 200 mil to implement the smart card idea. But it's going to take them 10 years to do it. What a joke!