Get rid of the Governor General

[I think not]

Re: RE: Get rid of the Governor General

I dunno. Since most of her powers are exercised through our Governor General of Canada, I wouldn't worry too much. Michaëlle's pretty, I'm sure she gets it when she wants it.

The bottom line Five, is that she can be replaced with any other form of government or system. Her purpose has become traditonal in nature (and perhaps identity). And that's how I think it is. I don't see any issues of procedure or "guarding" anything. You can do that by other means.

 

[FiveParadox]

But why replace what works?

 

[Finder]

You can replace that with checks and balances, which you currently lack. You are in effect, counting on the fact Her Majesty will not go insane. If I were 80 and haven't had sex in a decade or two, I'd be pretty dam cranky. Enough to deport en masse. :lol:

Yo remember everything I said early today.. forget about it. I like you again. lmao. Thats what I'd like to see... not a 80 year old women have sex but working checks and balances


Five, I know we disagree a little on this issue, but an unelected leader is not a uniter but a dictator in the most primitive sence of the world. Also then why don't we just randomly chose the figure head of canada... like a lotto or something then by that logic you'd get the same results and it would be a lot more democratic. lol

btw I think u and the queen would be nice together... think about the tea time you two could share

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Get rid of the Governor General

But why replace what works?

works? how? what does the GG do, the posistion is broken it's suppoed to be a check to the PM but because of how it's chosen it has no real power. It's broken and needs to be fixed one way or another

 

[FiveParadox]

I wonder if Her Majesty would be at all shocked if she discovered that we had both been staring at the hot server's bottom. :lol:

 

[I think not]

Like I said, and I'll repeat it. The Crown and everything else that goes with it, I tend to see as being tradition and indentity. You should replace her, because whereas she doesn't invoke her powers, that doesn't mean she cannot.

 

[FiveParadox]

However, Finder, however the situation should be remedied, I don't think we need to abolish the Canadian Monarchy to do that. I don't think we need to discontinue recognizing Her Majesty Elizabeth II as the Queen of Canada just because we want to change the selection process for the Governor General of Canada. I think that perhaps some members here are oversimplifying the situation.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Get rid of the Governor General

I wonder if Her Majesty would be at all shocked if she discovered that we had both been staring at the hot server's bottom. :lol:

come on, I know you think the Queen is hot Five... you have some sort of affection for her. You are like her biggest defeader here.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Get rid of the Governor General

However, Finder, however the situation should be remedied, I don't think we need to abolish the Canadian Monarchy to do that. I don't think we need to discontinue recognizing Her Majesty Elizabeth II as the Queen of Canada just because we want to change the selection process for the Governor General of Canada. I think that perhaps some members here are oversimplifying the situation.

True we have pretty much agreed on ways to solve the situation. But the current system is not working, and should be fixed and thats why I said one way or another. As I said I'm a moderate, Democratic Republican and willing to work within the facade of monarchy as we do now, but at least make the actually workings of government work and not have 2 out of the 3 sections of government totally nerfed and broken.

 

[FiveParadox]

Perhaps, then, we should amend the Constitution Act, 1867 to respect our tradition, heritage and the place of the Canadian Monarchy in Canada, while ensuring that the Queen of Canada cannot take sweeping action on her own initiative. Perhaps one could look to the constitution used in Japan, where His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Akihito is recognized as the head of state and as a symbol of unity among the Japanese people, but simultaneously recognizes that he no longer has the authority to govern?

We could issue new Letters Patent to ensure that while executive power is vested in the Queen (as the Constitution specifies), she herself is the embodiment of the Crown, and cannot take initiative on her own person to take action on behalf of the Government of Canada. What do you think?

 

[I think not]

By the way Five. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I am telling you what to do, I am just viewing it from the outside. And I grantr you I have a hard time understanding it, because we did away with it. That was a disclaimer.

Anyway, it strikes me as odd Canada being a "left leaning" (considered Progressive) country in general would want the Queen. Isn't Monarchy and Progressive somewhat of an oxymoron?

 

[FiveParadox]

I can't offer any guarantees that Canada would, in general, maintain the same degree of satisfaction with the Canadian Monarchy once Her Majesty the Queen of Canada passes on, and His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales ascends to the throne — he is nowhere near as popular, even in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

However, on a personal note, perhaps I am defending the Queen because while Prime Ministers have come and gone, Her Majesty has continued on through the years; she sort of gives off a notion of stability and continuity in what can be a very hectic world. For me, tradition, heritage and the Canadian Crown keep me grounded. I think it gives me the perspective that even though Canadians everywhere have different beliefs, we're unified, not through allegiance to the Government of Canada of the day, but to the Crown.

 

[Semperfi_dani]

RE: Get rid of the Govern

You know, at one time, i would have agreed with Five Paradox. I was in the camp of "why mess with our traditions and history" etc etc. But since coming to Canadian Content and seeing the other side of the argument...I have to say that my view has changed a little bit.

It's not that I don't respect the instution and tradition of the monarch in building Canada. But at some point, we need to assess who we are as Canadians now.

I liken it to the "old building" argument. Preserving an old building in an old neighbourhood for history sake has merit. But at some point, if that building is derilect, run down, poses a health hazard, and does not fit within the beautifying of the neighbourhood..at what point do you hold on, vs changing it for the greater good. (An example is downtown edmonton..some buildings are old but serve as crack whore houses etc...they are run down and are quite an eyesore. )

Ok..so i digressed but my whole point is that sometimes, we hold on to history for the sake of it, regardless of its relevance or need. Like a building is nothing but bricks and mortar, the monarchy too has lost its value.

I think the problem lies in Canada in general is that we don't honour our OWN history and historical figures enough to build our country or change our system to reflect our won cultural identity. And until we engage in a meaningful dialogue about US, we will continue to go forward as we are..a contentious nation of unending disagreement.

 

[bluealberta]

While I still like the tradition of keeping links to the British system, I find the GG appointment to be something we don't need and don't need to pay for. After all, the last GG spent more money taking her elitist friends around the world than she should. Take the budget for the GG and use it on the usual leftist causes like health care or education, and even most right wingers would agree, I think.

I think the GG position was originally established because of the distance and time between Britain and the colonies, but with the time it takes to fly to Canada from England being minimal, that argument is no longer valid. We do not need a Queens representative, when the Queen herself could get here within a few hours should it be necessary. I say use the money for something else.

 

[Finder]

even in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

*bites lip over The North of Ireland being mentioned*

 

[I think not]

:laughing3:

I needed that laugh.

 

[Semperfi_dani]

RE: Get rid of the Govern

Oooh..i like bluealbertas idea.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Get rid of the Govern

Oooh..i like bluealbertas idea.

Ur welcome!

 

[Finder]

While I still like the tradition of keeping links to the British system, I find the GG appointment to be something we don't need and don't need to pay for. After all, the last GG spent more money taking her elitist friends around the world than she should. Take the budget for the GG and use it on the usual leftist causes like health care or education, and even most right wingers would agree, I think.

I think the GG position was originally established because of the distance and time between Britain and the colonies, but with the time it takes to fly to Canada from England being minimal, that argument is no longer valid. We do not need a Queens representative, when the Queen herself could get here within a few hours should it be necessary. I say use the money for something else.

The GG is a reminant of the Colonial system and once abone a time during the mercantilist british empire the posistion was extremely powerful. But when the empire pretty much desolved over free trade or laizer faire liberalism and "responciable" government established the posistion ment less and less.

 

[Jay]

Ya, get rid of both of them. The GG, the Queen and the rest of the sorry ass lazy royal family. You want a "uniter", elect one. you want tradition, you don't need the Queen to have tradition. You're in the new world. Act like it.

What am I going to do with you?