Gay Marriage, Forced Votes & Party Discipline

[SirKevin]

Re: RE: Gay Marriage, Forced Votes & Party Discipline

RB,

If you listen to Harper and Toews you will see that they don't want to take away any of the benefits of marriage from SS couples. They simply want to preserve the marriage for heterosexual couples because the relationships are different.

They simply want another name for SS unions and preserve the word marriage for what Canada has come to understand it as for the first 138 years of its existence.

And if you look at human history you will see that that is an idiotic and downright discirminative stance.

Remember before the black rights movement came full circle? The white supremists said one day, "Okay, fine...we'll give these blacks most of the rights that whites have...but we'll do it differently. Sure, they can appear in public spaces and go to school and whatnot, but they'll have to do it off on their own...because they're different."

In the initial stages of Nazism, Jews were treated "differently" and put in their own ghettos together, where they could be different together. Not to imply that I think that not allowing gay marriage will lead to the genocide of gays, but the principle is there.

What have we learned from the bigotry and hatred of the past if we STILL insist on treating minority groupd "differently" and not allowing them full participation in society?

 

[SirKevin]

Re: RE: Gay Marriage, Forced Votes & Party Discipline

RB,

If you listen to Harper and Toews you will see that they don't want to take away any of the benefits of marriage from SS couples. They simply want to preserve the marriage for heterosexual couples because the relationships are different.

They simply want another name for SS unions and preserve the word marriage for what Canada has come to understand it as for the first 138 years of its existence.

And if you look at human history you will see that that is an idiotic and downright discirminative stance.

Remember before the black rights movement came full circle? The white supremists said one day, "Okay, fine...we'll give these blacks most of the rights that whites have...but we'll do it differently. Sure, they can appear in public spaces and go to school and whatnot, but they'll have to do it off on their own...because they're different."

In the initial stages of Nazism, Jews were treated "differently" and put in their own ghettos together, where they could be different together. Not to imply that I think that not allowing gay marriage will lead to the genocide of gays, but the principle is there.

What have we learned from the bigotry and hatred of the past if we STILL insist on treating minority groupd "differently" and not allowing them full participation in society?

 

[Jay]

Well I don't understand why everyone thinks this is a minority rights issue if, as Tiber pointed out....

They simply want another name for SS unions and preserve the word marriage for what Canada has come to understand it as for the first 138 years of its existence.

I don't know why people think (as I think Reverend Dear does) that all gay people are gay as such. I can think of scenarios where ppl experiment allot, or challenge the "natural" call in life if you know what I mean.

Lets say two guys and a girl or visa versa decide they want a union, and are prepared to commit themselves to each other. I don't see any problem with it (divorce lawyers would have a field day with this). Do we call this a marriage? Is it really a human rights issue then if we say that isn’t a marriage? Why is a marriage what it is? King size beds hold more than two ppl.

(Legal Disclaimer) I mean no offence to anyone’s orientation or lack thereof, by this either.

 

[Jay]

Well I don't understand why everyone thinks this is a minority rights issue if, as Tiber pointed out....

They simply want another name for SS unions and preserve the word marriage for what Canada has come to understand it as for the first 138 years of its existence.

I don't know why people think (as I think Reverend Dear does) that all gay people are gay as such. I can think of scenarios where ppl experiment allot, or challenge the "natural" call in life if you know what I mean.

Lets say two guys and a girl or visa versa decide they want a union, and are prepared to commit themselves to each other. I don't see any problem with it (divorce lawyers would have a field day with this). Do we call this a marriage? Is it really a human rights issue then if we say that isn’t a marriage? Why is a marriage what it is? King size beds hold more than two ppl.

(Legal Disclaimer) I mean no offence to anyone’s orientation or lack thereof, by this either.

 

[Jay]

Well I don't understand why everyone thinks this is a minority rights issue if, as Tiber pointed out....

They simply want another name for SS unions and preserve the word marriage for what Canada has come to understand it as for the first 138 years of its existence.

I don't know why people think (as I think Reverend Dear does) that all gay people are gay as such. I can think of scenarios where ppl experiment allot, or challenge the "natural" call in life if you know what I mean.

Lets say two guys and a girl or visa versa decide they want a union, and are prepared to commit themselves to each other. I don't see any problem with it (divorce lawyers would have a field day with this). Do we call this a marriage? Is it really a human rights issue then if we say that isn’t a marriage? Why is a marriage what it is? King size beds hold more than two ppl.

(Legal Disclaimer) I mean no offence to anyone’s orientation or lack thereof, by this either.

 

[SirKevin]

Natural call in life? Homosexuality is natural.

Polygamya? Seperate issue - in fact, non issue in our society.

 

[SirKevin]

Natural call in life? Homosexuality is natural.

Polygamya? Seperate issue - in fact, non issue in our society.

 

[SirKevin]

Natural call in life? Homosexuality is natural.

Polygamya? Seperate issue - in fact, non issue in our society.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Gay Marriage, Forced Votes & Party Discipline

Remember before the black rights movement came full circle? The white supremists said one day, "Okay, fine...we'll give these blacks most of the rights that whites have...but we'll do it differently. Sure, they can appear in public spaces and go to school and whatnot, but they'll have to do it off on their own...because they're different."

Well put Kevin...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Gay Marriage, Forced Votes & Party Discipline

Remember before the black rights movement came full circle? The white supremists said one day, "Okay, fine...we'll give these blacks most of the rights that whites have...but we'll do it differently. Sure, they can appear in public spaces and go to school and whatnot, but they'll have to do it off on their own...because they're different."

Well put Kevin...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Gay Marriage, Forced Votes & Party Discipline

Remember before the black rights movement came full circle? The white supremists said one day, "Okay, fine...we'll give these blacks most of the rights that whites have...but we'll do it differently. Sure, they can appear in public spaces and go to school and whatnot, but they'll have to do it off on their own...because they're different."

Well put Kevin...

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Gay Marriage, Forced Votes & Party Discipline

Natural call in life? Homosexuality is natural.

Polygamya? Seperate issue - in fact, non issue in our society.

I think you completely missed the point here.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Gay Marriage, Forced Votes & Party Discipline

Natural call in life? Homosexuality is natural.

Polygamya? Seperate issue - in fact, non issue in our society.

I think you completely missed the point here.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Gay Marriage, Forced Votes & Party Discipline

Natural call in life? Homosexuality is natural.

Polygamya? Seperate issue - in fact, non issue in our society.

I think you completely missed the point here.