Gay Marrage Debate

[coldstream]

Only in societies in a state of decline is homosexuality legitimized as a healthy or natural lifestyle. It is a behaviour, one with familial and environmental antecedents, and a product of infantile fixations and stunted sexual maturity. It has historically been codified by society's on the brink of collapse, cafe society in Berlin in the 1930s, the Greek and Roman civilizations at their final fall. It has always existed in all societies, making up about 2% of the population as a committed lifestyle, and usually treated with some tolerance if not acceptance. It is only when it is legitimized as a 'right' or 'a genetic disposition' that it starts to form a threat to young people, those going through the normal gender and identity confusion of puberty who see this as a normal option. That is the sign of a society in deep malaise, one that can no longer tell up from down, natural from contrived, right from wrong. Unfortunately it has nothing to do rights, it has to do with ignorance of homosexuality's true character.

 

[peapod]

nah, the only malaise around here is you. Mind your own business and worry about your own morals. :roll: Seems like they are pretty weak, as everything threatens them :roll:

 

[coldstream]

I rest my case peopod, in your twisty mindspace. You seem to represent exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Only in societies in a state of decline is homosexuality legitimized as a healthy or natural lifestyle. It is a behaviour, one with familial and environmental antecedents, and a product of infantile fixations and stunted sexual maturity. It has historically been codified by society's on the brink of collapse, cafe society in Berlin in the 1930s, the Greek and Roman civilizations at their final fall. It has always existed in all societies, making up about 2% of the population as a committed lifestyle, and usually treated with some tolerance if not acceptance. It is only when it is legitimized as a 'right' or 'a genetic disposition' that it starts to form a threat to young people, those going through the normal gender and identity confusion of puberty who see this as a normal option. That is the sign of a society in deep malaise, one that can no longer tell up from down, natural from contrived, right from wrong. Unfortunately it has nothing to do rights, it has to do with ignorance of homosexuality's true character.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: So now homosexuals are to blame the fall of the Roman Empire, and the rise of Nazi Germany?! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Feck, coldstream, that's pure quality hystrionics! Keep it up.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I'm not sure you realise this, Coldstream, but ssm is not compulsory.

Cafe society in Berlin was much saner than the extremist phobia, including homophobia that followed. Greece and Rome both accepted homosexuality while they wer rising to power as well as in their decline.

 

[coldstream]

Greece and Rome both accepted homosexuality while they wer rising to power as well as in their decline.

That's actually not true. Ascendant civilizations and society's invariably have rigorous moral standards. It is declining societies get lost in their own 'values' and produce a type of sophistry within purely relative and empirical rationales. You might want to check Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, or Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West, which touched on these characteristics.

 

[Gonzo]

I can’t believe people are still arguing the polygamy shit. It has nothing to do with two consenting adults marrying! The neo conservatives argue that a hundred years ago gay marriage was morally wrong. So? 100 years ago women couldn't vote. Natives were considered savages. Society recognizes a wrong and changes. Sure you have people dragging there feet, but now women can vote, Natives have rights, and gay people can marry. I'm not a woman, I'm not a native, and I'm not gay. But Canada is better because of these developments.

 

[Andygal]

Ascendant civilizations and society's invariably have rigorous moral standards.

I guess we are an ascendant civilization then because we have a rigourouys moral standard that says that nobody should be discriminated against due to things they can't control.

 

[Nascar_James]

I can’t believe people are still arguing the polygamy shit. It has nothing to do with two consenting adults marrying! The neo conservatives argue that a hundred years ago gay marriage was morally wrong. So? 100 years ago women couldn't vote. Natives were considered savages. Society recognizes a wrong and changes. Sure you have people dragging there feet, but now women can vote, Natives have rights, and gay people can marry. I'm not a woman, I'm not a native, and I'm not gay. But Canada is better because of these developments.

Why is it ok to change the traditional definition of marriage from one man and one woman to one man and one man or one woman and one woman, but not to one man and two women ..etc. The Polygamist community is a strong one in Boutiful BC, and Colorado city, USA. Giving preferential treatment to one community over another is being hypocritical.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Yeah? How about one woman and six men, Nas? That okay, too?

 

[Andygal]

oh by the way coldstream here is an interesting link RE: Greek and Roman homosexuality that you might want to read.

http://www.adam-carr.net/014.html

 

[Hank C Cheyenne]

Why is it ok to change the traditional definition of marriage from one man and one woman to one man and one man or one woman and one woman, but not to one man and two women ..etc. The Polygamist community is a strong one in Boutiful BC, and Colorado city, USA. Giving preferential treatment to one community over another is being hypocritical

...exactally....why should homosexuals be able to marry while Polygamists can't....because homosexuality is more popular?....so we are reducing this to a popularity contest....shit what's next people marrying animals....also polygamist's from around the world are routinely denied Canadian citizenship....but I guess it's not popular yet so you guys don't care.... just remember that even if there is 1 polygamist who is not allowed his/her rights then you are (according to your philosophy) discrimination against them.

....homosexuals as well as polygamists have thier rights to live in Canada.......but Canada has a set of rules and a way of life that we don't just change because something's popular (again we haven't had a national referendum on this issue so we don't know whats popular)....men can have sex with men (lol) and women can do the same........and married folks can have multiple partners if they desire....but marrige is between a man and woman...its the tradition of procreation.

....are any of you people aware of Sharia law....the whole fiasco in Ontario...thank god there is no Sharia law in my country....you see we can't just pick and choose whats popular and unpopular....we have to have a set of moral rules to go by.....it dosen't mean we are discriminating ...but that we need to stick up for something rather than stick up for nothing.

 

[coldstream]

Amen to that Hank. I was despairing there might not be another social conservative in the the 'Conservative Lounge', maybe not in the country :wink:.

 

[coldstream]

That's just 'gay' lobby popaganda Andygal. I think they hire people to come up with fabrications and concoctions to counter any characterisation of homosexuality that does not make it 'genetically programmed'. Homosexuality was practiced in Greece aristocracy in declining periods, specifically between men and boys and was generally abhored and villified by the general population. In Rome it appeared in debauched imperial circles, and was condemned by the military leadership and republican proponents. You can get this from Gibbon, or from W, Juergers' _ Paideia: The Ideals of Greek Culture... both respected academic sources. Sexual identity has always been associated with concepts of family and morality in all cultures.

 

[Hank C Cheyenne]

...I also want to bring up the point of the past injustices that have been discussed on this thread....black & natives having no rights, women not being able to vote, the treatment of Jap and Chinese Canadians.....

...the thing is that all these injustices had to do with race/color, or your sex. So basically whatever you did you were discriminated against because of something you had no control over.....its not that these people acted a certain way ..its was because of the color of their skin....

....now homosexuals have the same rights as me or you regardless of their race or gender. They can marry someone of the opposite sex if they want, they can go anywhere they want, and do anything they see fit to do(no pun intended). Noone is gonna hurt them or attack them because they are all gods children.

...so you see they have to same rights as you and me, and it don't matter their color or gender, it is merely that marrage is for men and women....so you see saying traditional marrage is discrimination is like saying that just because in Canada you need to learn english or french to fill out forms or apply for credit cards or whatever....you are discriminating against a person who speaks and writes a different language and needs to get a translator to help them. Damn you bigots...you are forcing the poor old lady to take english classes because you don't recognize her language..shame on you.

...gun owners, smokers, americans, christians, are all being discriminated against in todays Canadian society....but I guess these are unpopular so......it must be ok.

Amen to that Hank. I was despairing there might not be another social conservative in the the 'Conservative Lounge', maybe not in the country

.....great to meet you brother........and for the record you are just living in the wrong part of the country..... come to Alberta. :wave:

 

[Gonzo]

Again, Neo Cons blurring the line. Gay people want to marry. Nothing wrong with it. Polygamists are not gay! They are polygamists. It is a completely separate issue with separate moral questions. What does wanting to be married to many people have to do with two people wanting to marry? If you let gay people marry it doesn't mean you have to let polygamists marry. Why would it? You're comparing apples and oranges. Polygamists and homosexuals have nothing to do with each other. Period.

 

[peapod]

mentality ill they are, same old, same old :roll: K...Listen up neocons, whine, complain all you want, its legal in this country for two homosexuals to marry, don't like it...move :wink:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

mentality ill they are, same old, same old :roll: K...Listen up neocons, whine, complain all you want, its legal in this country for two homosexuals to marry, don't like it...move :wink:

I think that not only should it be legal, but it should be mandatory that a social conservative witness the consumation of the marriage...

Heheh...hoo boy...

 

[peapod]

*hugs to vanni* glad your back :wink: I dunno vanni, why ruin a good wedding :wink:

 

[Gonzo]

I honestly believe that people who are extremely anti-gay are, deep down, unsure of there own sexuality. Their own gayness is something they hate and therefore try to hide it by being anti-gay. Just admit that you play for the home team.