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Machjo

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A lot has changed in the past 35 years.

And Darwin's theory is older still. And just think of Newton! Yet gravity still pulls us down. One thing with sicence, fact is fact no matter when. can you prove animals have evolved so considerably so that their physilology is no longer the same today?

immagine if scientists had to through out scientific knowledge and start from scratch every few years!

Should we repeat Newton's apple drop every few years just to make sure it hasn't changed?

Generally an experiment remains eternally valid until another experiment refutes it.
 

Machjo

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Not the basics. And I can't immagine the basic principles involving pain would have changed that much either.
 

Sal

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Not the basics. And I can't immagine the basic principles involving pain would have changed that much either.
correct but our ability to measure and understand pain has...in 1978 a beast was just a beast. We now are just beginning to understand pets are far more emotive than science before was willing to credit them with. Just because we are incapable of measuring pain in another does not mean it doesn't exist.
 

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From the referred-to experiment:

"...pain and suffering to the extent as has since long been generally associated in public with this kind of slaughter cannot be registered..." and that "[a complete loss of consciousness] occurred generally within considerably less time than during the slaughter method after captive bolt stunning."

Pain can be measured, and could even then. to what level of accuracy I don't know, but still the experiment could measure no more pain via exsanguination than via bolt stunning, and in some cases registered even less pain.
 

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Killing animals using the Hala method is against the law in Canada.

You can't even kill chickens in Canada using the Hala method. A group of Muslims just outside of Montreal own a chicken slaughtering business and the government has investigated their slaughering methods many times. I'm not sure if they have ever been caught following this practice.
 

Sal

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From the referred-to experiment:

"...pain and suffering to the extent as has since long been generally associated in public with this kind of slaughter cannot be registered..." and that "[a complete loss of consciousness] occurred generally within considerably less time than during the slaughter method after captive bolt stunning."

Pain can be measured, and could even then. to what level of accuracy I don't know, but still the experiment could measure no more pain via exsanguination than via bolt stunning, and in some cases registered even less pain.
they can't even measure human pain, when you go to emerg they have to ask...on a scale of 1 to 10 tell us your pain level then they medicate accordingly...I don't know any animal that is capable of communicating pain other than total and complete howling. So I am not about to trust some 40 year old experiment to determine that an animal's pain level is okey dokey...

Only recently are we crawling toward acknowledging animal's ability to communicate with us in what we arrogantly label 'meaningful way' even though apes can when taught can sign...
 

Machjo

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It involved measuring brain waves. We could do that to humans too, but it's much more convenient to just ask.
 

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But, but, it cooks up better! I like my meat halal.

BTW, incase anyone is curious what the difference is, the main feature of halal meat is that, in order to help meat keep as long as possible in dessert heats, the animal is killed by having its throat slit, so that the heart pumps as much blood as possible out of the meat, before it is hung, unlike current western butcher practice of killing the animal, hanging it, slitting it and letting gravity do what it can. The result is, well, better meat.

Same as kosher but with a different religious oversear. I believe Muslim's can eat Kosher meat if halal is not available.

As for dead rats, as long as it is hung properly, it could still be halal.
 

karrie

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Killing animals using the Hala method is against the law in Canada.

You can't even kill chickens in Canada using the Hala method. A group of Muslims just outside of Montreal own a chicken slaughtering business and the government has investigated their slaughering methods many times. I'm not sure if they have ever been caught following this practice.


link please.