Freedom from conditioning .

[china]

Is it possible for the mind to be aware of its own conditioning, and bring freedom from its conditioning? The mind's conditioning is imposed by society, by the various forms of culture, religion and education, and also by the whole process of ambition, the effort to become something, which is itself a pattern imposed on each one of us by society; and there is also the pattern which the individual creates for himself in his response to society. So,can we be aware of our conditioning, and is it possible for the mind to break down all this limitation so that it is free to discover what is truth?
Your response , as usual .

 

[talloola]

Yes, China, at age 68 I now find it very easy to step back and outside of all the influences of society
and truly live my life in a more simple and calm manner, and not worry and fret about any of it.

 

[Niflmir]

Its pretty difficult. The feminist movement and other equal opportunity organizations have been trying to do this for quite some time. The slow rate of their successes should indicate the difficulty of uncovering our conditioning, something which begins at birth when a boy is first put in blue and a girl in pink...

 

[eh1eh]

I just use Head & Shoulders 2 in 1 and I"m free from conditioning.

 

[china]

talloola ,

Yes, China, at age 68 I now find it very easy to step back and outside of all the influences of society
and truly live my life in a more simple and calm manner, and not worry and fret about any of it.

You are a very lucky woman talloola . Lucky is not the word ; perhaps contented...

 

[china]

eh1eh ,

I just use Head & Shoulders 2 in 1 and I"m free from conditioning.

It looks like you are also free from other things like ....Head & Shou....;
what the heck ,one is enough .

 

[DurkaDurka]

China, have you been conditioned by the Chinese government to be an obedient servant of the great state?

 

[china]

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China, have you been conditioned by the Chinese government to be an obedient servant of the great state?

Haha .....nope ,though you might say that I have bin conditioned to come across silly questions in my threads.

 

[DurkaDurka]

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Haha .....nope ,though you might say that I have bin conditioned to come across silly questions in my threads.

I guess the great firewall of China would filter out any dissenting views you had about the government policies, if you chose to post them. 8O

 

[china]

It seems to me that unless we do free the mind from its conditioning, all our social problems, our conflicts in relationship, our wars and other miseries, are bound to increase and multiply - which is exactly what is happening in the world.Is it possible for the mind to be aware of its conditioning and liberate itself?

 

[china]

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something which begins at birth when a boy is first put in blue and a girl in pink...

You are joking .......aren't you?

 

[china]

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I guess the great firewall of China would filter out any dissenting views you had about the government policies, if you chose to post them.

Wow , I have already posted my views about the government policies -many times.
They clearly state ..... " the Liberal government policies stink"
Had a business meeting in Beijing last month and took the opportunity to visit the "Wall".
It's still there.

 

[Niflmir]

You are joking .......aren't you?

Nope. It is in fact a serious problem for researchers that want to detect genuine biological gender biases. It is almost impossible to determine how much difference between men and women is due to socialization and how much is inherent. Although many boys are not immediately put into a blue jumper and many girls aren't immediately put into a pink one, this form of socialization exists in our country and is quite common.

Make a simple comparison, how many 4 year old boys do you see running around with hair long enough to have a pony tail, how many 4 year old girls?

 

[china]

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Make a simple comparison, how many 4 year old boys do you see running around with hair long enough to have a pony tail, how many 4 year old girls?

Now I know that you are jocking , or we are talking about two different things Niflmir.

 

[Tonington]

Make a simple comparison, how many 4 year old boys do you see running around with hair long enough to have a pony tail, how many 4 year old girls?

I guess that would depend on which society you live in.

 

[karrie]

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Now I know that you are jocking , or we are talking about two different things Niflmir.

I'm quite certain he's not joking. What he's saying makes perfect sense. If the gender equality movements, after all these years, can't even break down some of the social conditioning that occurs amongst the sexes, then it's obviously quite difficult to break away from.

 

[Niflmir]

I'm quite certain he's not joking. What he's saying makes perfect sense. If the gender equality movements, after all these years, can't even break down some of the social conditioning that occurs amongst the sexes, then it's obviously quite difficult to break away from.

Precisely. I chose to use a concrete example of conditioning. In a vacuum it is impossible to tell what is conditioning and what is personality. When you get many people together then you can start to see the conditioning as the implicit assumptions we each make, if they were explicit assumptions it wouldn't be conditioning.

The issue came up recently in the "Male and Female bosses" thread.

When you use concrete examples and look at all the people that genuinely want to make positive change in this world by breaking down our conditioning and replacing it with something more wholesome, then you begin to realize how difficult it is.

 

[look3467]

Who has a choice?
I could have easily have been born into a primitive tribe of people isolated from the modern world.
If I were, then the influences surrounding my life is who or what I would most like become.

The answer than must lie in something common to all mankind. Because there is such a variety of peoples, beliefs and practices, not one religious belief can fit all.

Which means, in my opinion, that there is common to all mankind a spark of the spiritual, that gives us an inkling of something higher than ourselves by which we could relate somehow.
All of us here on this forum, especially the spiritual end of it, are talking about things spiritual as though we believed there is a spiritual entity that is drawing at our strings.
Deny it we may, but the proof is in our participation in postings.

I believe as is my opinion only, that I have found the truth that surpasses all religious beliefs in the world.
That God loves every human being and I am to love them as He loves regardless of what they believe.
If you don't believe in God, doesn't matter, God still loves you.

Searching, searching, exploring and exploring, many are the that road, but a few are the once who really find true answers to all the question. And when they do, understanding of all human creatures as being brothers and sisters is where distinction vanishes.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[hermanntrude]

surely to some extent, out learning is dependant upon conditioning. Some conditioning is vital for survival.

The trouble is over-conditioning. Labelling things and forgetting their true nature...

 

[Twila]

There is a famous experiment done where they have 5 people participating in the experiment with full knowledge of it and 1 person who is unaware of the experiment.

The 6 people are given questions which the 5 cohorts answer wrong intentionally and obviously. The 6th person will at first answer the questions with what they feel is the correct answer but after awhile they will usually choose the same wrong answers as the other 5 people.

There are very few people who truely want to be individuals. We all want to fit itn and will accept conditioning of any type if it means we will be like the rest of the group.