France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

[Andem]

Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

I'm not an Anti-Semite. I never met an Arab that I DIDN'T like.

A. I never asserted that you were an Anti-Semite, but the more I read your posts, the more I suspect that you dislike Jews for no other reason than the fact that they are Jews. But perhaps you dislike Israeli policy, in which case I encourage you to read this (you may have to scroll down a bit, to "the nature...")

B. What does "never meeting an Arab that you DIDN'T like" have anything to do with being an Anti-Semite? Perhaps you are suggesting some correlation between Anti-Semitism and Arabs? If you read my previous posts, you will notice that I never drew any such parallel.

I'm having trouble what you mean about question B, NaturalLemonFlavour.. Jews* and Arabs are both semitic/asiatic-afro peoples, which really means they are ethnic cousins. Just as Slavic, Nordic, Celtic, West-African, South-East Asian peoples fall into their respective categories.

It's amazing how people love to throw around words that they don't even know the true meaning of. Just the use of the word semitic implies a mutual cultural, linguistical and ethnic history between Jews* and Arabs.



* "Jew" is this context refers to peoples of ethnic jewish heritage.

 

[NaturalLemonFlavour]

My ramblings were meant to come out as something that meant, "What do Arabs have to do with it?" I was confused by the random "I have never met an Arab I didn't like", but Roger sorted me out.

I apologize if that wasn't clear, I don't always make sense.

 

[Finder]

There is a very big difference between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism, which many on the right don't seem to understand for some reason. I may not agree with this mans tact or his extremism in this matter but he is not coming from an anti-semitic stance. Zionism in itself is much closer to facsicm in it's more extreme forms then anything thing else in todays world. It is a shame that many Zionists turned into what they feared and hated in an attempt not to allow what had happend to them in the past.

One of my socialist zionist friends amazes me how he can be totally against a white wing nut job like Bush or Harper until they do something for Isreal, then they love them and only on that one issue.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

Don't worry, I'm sure he'll get around to it.

Naturallemon, have you seen the show, or just read the article about Dieudonné?

Seen the show, twice. Although admittedly, my French is subpar, so his exact meaning may have been lost in translation.

How and where did you get that dieudonner said "" i hate jews because of their governement""

Cause he never said this in his entire life, maybe you should learn french before assuming something that he never said.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

Why is it that everyone can be made fun of except for the Jews?

Careful there Chicken Man. I have heard quite a bit of comedy making fun of Jews. Heck I hear at least 25 jokes about Jewish culture on my XM comedy channel.

Here's a teaser. Why is it every religion can be criticized and lampooned except Islam and Scientology? Either the Islamic nutbars burn down your embassy or Tom Cruise comes knocking.

Pa Dump Dump!

 

[Roger]

Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

Gee, this all began as a question.

What has been proven here is to merely question gets someone labled something negative. That in itself is wrong.

"Merely questioning" is not what he is doing. He is outright insulting - something I find tasteless. Nonetheless, it is certainly his right to make an ass of himself. It should hardly be surprising when someone takes offense to his words.

Naturallemon is a "Half Black Jew". So what? Why do you categorize yourself, and why should it matter what anyone here is or isn't?

That isn't me "catagorizing" myself. That is me identifying myself. It was particularly relevant to the topic at hand. I don't usually introduce myself as such. And I'm part-Black, not half.

Now, Why did I bring up liking Arabs? Because it's such a demonstration of prejudice when someone comes out and questions anything about Jews, Israel, whatever, to blindly infer the source as being Anti-Semitic. Beyond a worn out defense mechanism that doesn't work anymore, that unto itself is an act of racism.

Arabs have not been mentioned once during this discussion (to my knowledge), so I don't see the relevance of it, still...

A "worn out defense mechanism"? Hahaha, so next time someone insults the Jews, we had best... suck it up? No thanks. I will by all means field questions about Jews and Israeli policy. What I will speak out against is BLATANT PREJUDICED COMMENTS.

I.e.: A good situation that no one should really object to:

Bob: "I don't like that the Israeli government is doing this and this and this. They shouldn't be doing this because of reason1, reason2, and reason3."

A bad situation:

Bob: "I don't like Jews because the Israeli government is doing this and this and this!!!!"

What Dieudonne (spelling?) is doing is not Situation A. It is Situation B, which is tasteless and unacceptable, no matter who the joke is about.


:!: EDIT: Fixing an erroneous bolding.

You are a mass of contradictions. That you find a question "Insulting" is merely a smokescreen to mask your effort to silence a ligitimate issue. A straight forward question about a condition the rest of us find insulting. You're too hypersensitive about what you are and what you are not, and you obviously have little regard for the greater community. It's all in terms of yourself for you.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

Why is it that everyone can be made fun of except for the Jews?

Careful there Chicken Man. I have heard quite a bit of comedy making fun of Jews. Heck I hear at least 25 jokes about Jewish culture on my XM comedy channel.

Here's a teaser. Why is it every religion can be criticized and lampooned except Islam and Scientology? Either the Islamic nutbars burn down your embassy or Tom Cruise comes knocking.

Pa Dump Dump!

Islam has been the one who has been serverly criticized all the time, dieudonner did it on many occasions, actually he did a sketch making fun entirely of the islam religion, and one of my favorite is when he make fun of those blind people who join alquada, and in particulary those supposed 19 hijackers.

In americans movies, in the last 15 years, most of the bad peoples were muslim, painted them always as the bad.

here is an article about it.

Well-known media critic Jack Shaheen writes in his new book, "In Hollywood's films, they certainly do [look alike].Pause and visualize the reel Arab. What do you see? Black beard, headdress, dark sunglasses. In the background-alimousine, harem maidens, oil wells, camels. Or perhaps he is brandishing an automatic weapon, crazy hate in his eyesand Allah on his lips. Can you see him?"

The image is easy to conjure, according to Shaheen, because the vast majority of Hollywood features portray Arabs inthis stereotypical way. And such relentless stereotyping is not without real world consequence. When the OklahomaCity federal building was bombed in 1995, Arab-Americans were the first to be blamed-- Rupert Murdoch's U.S. papersheadlined: "In the name of Islam" over a picture of a dead child. The Council on Arab-Islamic Relations reportedmore than 300 hate crimes against Arabs and Muslims in America. Mosques were trashed, community members receivedbomb threats, children were harassed at school.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/07/025222



So saying , islam isnt criticized, is quite not really fair from you, have you ever seen an evil jew in a american movie?

It is so easy to hate arabs, and you are a very good exemple of that.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

"AEON: It is so easy to hate arabs, and you are a very good exemple of that "

Congrats AEON on your usual uneducated inflammatory accusations. You know nothing of me.

By the way, have you called any Jews Nazi's lately?

Boy I'm gonna have a hard time sleeping tonight knowing that you think I hate Arabs.

Heavens to Betsy. How an inflammatory twit like you doesn't get banned from this forum is beyond me.

 

[aeon]

"AEON: It is so easy to hate arabs, and you are a very good exemple of that "

Congrats AEON on your usual uneducated inflammatory accusations. You know nothing of me.

By the way, have you called any Jews Nazi's lately?

Boy I'm gonna have a hard time sleeping tonight knowing that you think I hate Arabs.

Heavens to Betsy. How an inflammatory twit like you doesn't get banned from this forum is beyond me.

I called jews nazi?? where and when is that? i called the zionist nazi, yes, but it is the reality, you have a problem with that??


You are saying islam and muslim arent criticized, when in fact it is the opposite, you are a good exemple of those peoples who are brainwashed to think muslim are bad, period.

Now i ask you a simple question, have you ever seen an evil jew in american movie??

and this question is for everyone, and please answer instead of trying to insult to divert the conversation.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Last I checked Sharon is a Jew. As for playing your silly game.

Later when I have time I'll make another post. Although you will likely deny any facts put before you as being graciously humbled is a quality you lack.

By the way, are you an Arab? You accuse me of Hating Arabs, just wondering what your bloodline is?

Definitely not a Jew right?

 

[I think not]

Now i ask you a simple question, have you ever seen an evil jew in american movie??

Have you seen one in a French film?

 

[aeon]

Now i ask you a simple question, have you ever seen an evil jew in american movie??

Have you seen one in a French film?

There is none, that i remember of.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

Last I checked Sharon is a Jew. As for playing your silly game.

Later when I have time I'll make another post. Although you will likely deny any facts put before you as being graciously humbled is a quality you lack.

By the way, are you an Arab? You accuse me of Hating Arabs, just wondering what your bloodline is?

Definitely not a Jew right?

Not arab, not a jew, a french-canadian and proud of it.

I admit though, i assumed that you hate arabs, because of what you said, sorry for that. But it is a fact that arabs, are daily criticized,, most of them are victims of hatred that they don t deserve. Shame on our media, movies(americans, canadians, quebecs all of them), tv, that is what i should have said.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

How bout shame on the bin Ladens or Attahs and the rest of the lunatic fringe who have hijacked Islam and given the religion and culture a bad name? Let's face it agencies like CNN are not sending suicide Bombers into Markets and they're not cutting peoples heads off.

Movies or Televion depicting Jews as Evil or Criminal
Lord of War: Nicolas Cage plays Yuri Orlov a Jewish arms dealer who sells his soul for the weapons he sells to anyone and everyone.

Passion of the Christ: Jews were not portrayed well in this film.

Sopranos: Orthodox Jews dealing with the Mafia.

News programs and publications critical of Israel:
Toronto Star: Critical of Israel. CBC critical of Israel. Globe and Mail, NY Times, LA Times. Global News.

I don't have all night AEON and better things to do, so I'm wrapping it up here.

Your views are somewhat slanted and perhaps you should take stock of your own hate before making such proclamations.

Cheers
M

 

[aeon]

How bout shame on the bin Ladens or Attahs and the rest of the lunatic fringe who have hijacked Islam and given the religion and culture a bad name? Let's face it agencies like CNN are not sending suicide Bombers into Markets and they're not cutting peoples heads off.

Movies or Televion depicting Jews as Evil or Criminal
Lord of War: Nicolas Cage plays Yuri Orlov a Jewish arms dealer who sells his soul for the weapons he sells to anyone and everyone.

Passion of the Christ: Jews were not portrayed well in this film.

Sopranos: Orthodox Jews dealing with the Mafia.

News programs and publications critical of Israel:
Toronto Star: Critical of Israel. CBC critical of Israel. Globe and Mail, NY Times, LA Times. Global News.

I don't have all night AEON and better things to do, so I'm wrapping it up here.

Your views are somewhat slanted and perhaps you should take stock of your own hate before making such proclamations.

Cheers
M

Passion werent paint badly the jew, just for your own information jesus was a jew, and we all we saw in this movie, is the suffering of jesus.

Only extremist zionist came with this theory that passion paint badly the jew, those extremist zionist breathe from anti-semite, and they saw anti-semite in anything, that is a good exemple of it.


Lord of wars, yuri orlov is from ukraine, he is not a jew.


Soprano is about an italian family that deals with the mafia, not a jew family.I think you should try harder on this one.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

From my previous post: Although you will likely deny any facts put before you as being graciously humbled is a quality you lack.

I knew this was an exercise in futility. If you don't want the answers don't ask the question.

What's the point AEON if the sky is blue you'd still say it is red?

The air up there in Quebec must be getting too you.....

Next you'll be saying I hate Frenchmen.

 

[I think not]

Munich?

 

[Andem]

I finally read over this topic in full and the last example was pretty bad. Lord of war was a pretty good movie, btw... I saw it recently. He wasn't a jew.

But Retired_Can_Soldier: Why are you painting aeon as a hater? As far as I can tell, you've been attacking every single point he's made with little evidence to back it up. He's never called jews nazis. But his claim that zionists are nazis is very valid and he's entitled to that opinion.

Anyways, some good points aeon -- it's true I don't remember a jew being portrayed in a film as evil... but I've sure seen enough movies where arabs and other muslims were in that position. "Back to the future" is the first that comes to mind, so its nothing new.

 

[aeon]

From my previous post: Although you will likely deny any facts put before you as being graciously humbled is a quality you lack.

I knew this was an exercise in futility. If you don't want the answers don't ask the question.

What's the point AEON if the sky is blue you'd still say it is red?

The air up there in Quebec must be getting too you.....

Next you'll be saying I hate Frenchmen.

Facts= lords of war, yuri isnt a jew, he is from ukraine.

facts= passion doesnt show the jew in a bad spot, the total opposite.

facts= soprano, mafia deal with an italian family, not jew.


those are the answers.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

I finally read over this topic in full and the last example was pretty bad. Lord of war was a pretty good movie, btw... I saw it recently. He wasn't a jew.

But Retired_Can_Soldier: Why are you painting aeon as a hater? As far as I can tell, you've been attacking every single point he's made with little evidence to back it up. He's never called jews nazis. But his claim that zionists are nazis is very valid and he's entitled to that opinion.

Anyways, some good points aeon -- it's true I don't remember a jew being portrayed in a film as evil... but I've sure seen enough movies where arabs and other muslims were in that position. "Back to the future" is the first that comes to mind, so its nothing new.

Thankx.

How would i hate jew retired_Can_soldier?
my girlfriend is 100% jew, she is the one to blame, on why i think extremist zionist are nazi, she educated me on that one.


Here is website showing jew against zionist

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.org/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

http://jewsagainstzionism.blogspot.com/