For Lebanon

[Kreskin]

SL, please don't refer to people as liars, and other forms of unflattery, when their opinions differ from yours. Don't make me send you to etiquette school.

 

[SaintLucifer]

Re: RE: For Lebanon

SL, please don't refer to people as liars, and other forms of unflattery, when their opinions differ from yours. Don't make me send you to etiquette school.

I merely point out it is my opinion that he is a liar. Whether others deem him a liar or not is not my problem. I have reviewed his 'facts' and poked them full of holes backed up by my belief that he is a liar. There is absolutely no problem with stating one's own opinions. That is the entire purpose of this site.

 

[Kreskin]

Re: RE: For Lebanon

SL, please don't refer to people as liars, and other forms of unflattery, when their opinions differ from yours. Don't make me send you to etiquette school.

I merely point out it is my opinion that he is a liar. Whether others deem him a liar or not is not my problem. I have reviewed his 'facts' and poked them full of holes backed up by my belief that he is a liar. There is absolutely no problem with stating one's own opinions. That is the entire purpose of this site.

SL, there is no need to inject defamatory opinions of other members as you poke holes.

 

[SaintLucifer]

Re: RE: For Lebanon

SL, please don't refer to people as liars, and other forms of unflattery, when their opinions differ from yours. Don't make me send you to etiquette school.

I merely point out it is my opinion that he is a liar. Whether others deem him a liar or not is not my problem. I have reviewed his 'facts' and poked them full of holes backed up by my belief that he is a liar. There is absolutely no problem with stating one's own opinions. That is the entire purpose of this site.

SL, there is no need to inject defamatory opinions of other members as you poke holes.

How can it be 'defamatory' if it is only my opinion which I deem to be true? It is only defamatory when I tell everyone that he is a lie without a doubt, not that in my opinion he is one. There is a difference.

 

[Canadian with a hyphen]

kreskin...I was actually most offended that I was called a "sir" and I take so much pride in feminism
There is a jewish saying that said "every kettle pours what's in it"
Thank you for ur fairness

 

[SaintLucifer]

kreskin...I am actually offended that I was called a "sir" and I take so much pride in feminism
There is a jewish saying that said "every kettle pours what's in it"
Thank you for ur fairness

You are a maiden yet I addressed you as 'sir'? Please do accept my humble apology for I would never dare to address a maiden in such a manner. I was posting left and right, up and down so often I lost track of who was who but let us never mind my excuses. There was no call for that. I would still believe you to be a liar and address you as such but I would never presume to call a maiden 'sir'. Please accept my apologies.

Yours,
SaintLucifer

 

[Kreskin]

Re: RE: For Lebanon

SL, please don't refer to people as liars, and other forms of unflattery, when their opinions differ from yours. Don't make me send you to etiquette school.

I merely point out it is my opinion that he is a liar. Whether others deem him a liar or not is not my problem. I have reviewed his 'facts' and poked them full of holes backed up by my belief that he is a liar. There is absolutely no problem with stating one's own opinions. That is the entire purpose of this site.

SL, there is no need to inject defamatory opinions of other members as you poke holes.

How can it be 'defamatory' if it is only my opinion which I deem to be true? It is only defamatory when I tell everyone that he is a lie without a doubt, not that in my opinion he is one. There is a difference.

So if two people have differing opinions one is a liar? Come on, you know better.

 

[SaintLucifer]

Re: RE: For Lebanon

SL, please don't refer to people as liars, and other forms of unflattery, when their opinions differ from yours. Don't make me send you to etiquette school.

I merely point out it is my opinion that he is a liar. Whether others deem him a liar or not is not my problem. I have reviewed his 'facts' and poked them full of holes backed up by my belief that he is a liar. There is absolutely no problem with stating one's own opinions. That is the entire purpose of this site.

SL, there is no need to inject defamatory opinions of other members as you poke holes.

How can it be 'defamatory' if it is only my opinion which I deem to be true? It is only defamatory when I tell everyone that he is a lie without a doubt, not that in my opinion he is one. There is a difference.

So if two people have differing opinions one is a liar? Come on, you know better.

That sir is precisely my point. I do know better.

 

[youmny]

If Lebanon were to actively pursue and eliminate Hezbollah, then perhaps Israel and Lebanon could work together toward that end, and the bloodshed could stop.

If Lebanon was to pursue Hezbollah tha it would be doomed... One enemy is enough, thank you. We don't need Hezbollah bombing us too.

 

[Canadian with a hyphen]

yeah but youmny in "jalssat l hiyar l watani" all parties were trying to find a solution on how to disarm hezbollah that means the government was trying ...baby steps but they were trying ...

 

[BitWhys]

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yeah but youmny in "jalssat l hiyar l watani" all parties were trying to find a solution on how to disarm hezbollah that means the government was trying ...baby steps but they were trying ...

you have any reading on that available?

 

[Simpleton]

If Lebanon were to actively pursue and eliminate Hezbollah, then perhaps Israel and Lebanon could work together toward that end, and the bloodshed could stop.

If Lebanon was to pursue Hezbollah tha it would be doomed... One enemy is enough, thank you. We don't need Hezbollah bombing us too.

Right. You'd rather have Israel bomb you. Hmmm, I think I understand your logic. :roll:

Personally, if I had to choose between two enemies, and Israel and Hezbollah were my two choices, I'd choose to make peace with Israel, and fight Hezbollah. At least if you went after Hezbollah, you could count Israel as an allie. And Israel is not a bad allie to have. :wink:

 

[BitWhys]

Iraq has the US as an ally and look how well its worked for them.

 

[Canadian with a hyphen]

Initial Discussions on Integration in the Army
In these circumstances it was only natural that the next discussion on the future of Hizbollah would be a debate regarding the integration of the Shiite organization, officially or semi-officially, in the Lebanese army. Hariri's assassination accelerated the debate. Only two weeks after the assassination Lebanese functionaries were quoted as saying that "in the next stage" the future of Hizbollah and its weapons would be discussed in consultation with all the political elements in the country. The possibilities suggested were setting up an integrated link between Hizbollah and the Lebanese army, integration of the organization's military force in the army, or a declaration that this force would become an "assisting" force for the Lebanese army, as part of a separate special brigade to be called the "Resistance Brigade."18

Former Lebanese president Amin Jumayyil, one of the opposition leaders who demanded that the Lebanese army deploy in the southern part of the country, remarked that according to Lebanese law Hizbollah could be defined in the category of "supporters of the army," and consequently "the army will bear direct responsibility and attach Hizbollah to the 'supporters of the army' and [the organization] will act under its supervision and responsibility."19 In contrast, the Syrian ambassador in Washington, Imad Mustafa, spoke about "merging" Hizbollah with the Lebanese army.20 Muhammad Ra'd, the leader of the Hizbollah faction in the Lebanese parliament, was quoted as proposing to turn the Hizbollah armed force into a reserve unit in the service of the Lebanese army.21

It may be assumed that the organization itself would prefer to retain a sufficient degree of independence in order to prevent its total assimilation inside the army and the elimination of its particular edge vis-à-vis the IDF. In other words, the organization will attempt to preserve the current formula, defined by Nasrallah as "resistance maintaining coordination with and complementing the army,"22 while at the same time enjoying official recognition – and tacit protection – by the establishment. In an interview given at the beginning of April, the deputy director-general of Hizbollah was quoted as saying that "we shall discuss the weapons after [the Israeli withdrawal from] Shab'a [Farms], on condition that a reliable alternative is found for the defense of Lebanon. A reserve army does not mean that the resistance has become part of the army, but only that we have found a formula for coordination with the army. This is actually resistance going under a different name."23 Soon thereafter the organization hurriedly issued an official clarification, which claimed that Qasim was quoted incorrectly, and that the precise quotation was: "The idea in question does not mean that the resistance will become part of the Lebanese army and will come under its orders, but that there will be a coordinated formula for the defense of Lebanon. Regarding the means and details, these issues must be discussed."24 The clarification was apparently designed to underscore that Hizbollah is loath to forfeit its independence in favor of a standing army and is eager to maintain its distinct operational methods

I am just having a hard time find a good english article on the meetings that were taking place...But I will

 

[Simpleton]

Re: RE: For Lebanon

Iraq has the US as an ally and look how well its worked for them.

True. But Iraq wasn't under heavy bombardment prior to the US entering Iraq. The difference in the Israel/Lebanon struggle, is that it's Israel that is bombing the living daylights out of Lebanon. I seriously doubt that Hezbollah will ever be able to exact the kind of damage on Lebanon as Israel is able to. And I'm really not talking about an Israeli occupation of Lebanon, which is another difference.

Although, having Israel as an ally could cause some problems with other nations like Syria. But I believe Israel and Syria have a peace treaty at the present time. Correct?

Isreal is by far the best military power in the middle east. A Lebonese alignment with Israel would be about equal to the Canadian alignment with the USA.

 

[BitWhys]

I am just having a hard time find a good english article on the meetings that were taking place...But I will

LOL

I knew it was a language thing. Thanks for the effort.

 

[BitWhys]

Re: RE: For Lebanon

Isreal is by far the best military power in the middle east. A Lebonese alignment with Israel would be about equal to the Canadian alignment with the USA.

the days of military solutions to cultural tensions went the way of the dodo with arrival of the small arms trade and has only gotten worse since then.

THAT

is the reality.

there ARE things Lebanon and Israel can work on together. bombing the south into the stoneage and validating Hezbollah in the process is not an option.

 

[SaintLucifer]

Re: RE: For Lebanon

I signed a petition in support of a ceasefire when i attended a rally at the Alberta Legislature today held by Edmonton's Lebanese community.

Incidently, I am Canadian born and bred protestant of Ukranian/Scottish/English/German decent. So not everyone that thinks this atrocity is wrong is lebaneese or arab.

There has been only one atrocity committed and that is the targetting of civilians by Hezbollah. Those civilians killed by the Israelis were victims of 'collateral damage'. The Israelis cannot pinpoint Hezbollah terrorists out of a crowd of civilians. This is Hezbollah's modus operandi. Hide amongst the civilians like the cowards they are. This way if they are killed their kin may scream at the world 'see! Israelis target civilians' yet they neglect to mention what they were doing amongst civilians in the first place. IDF forces specifically target Hezbollah terrorists in an attempt to wipe them out. One cannot blame the Israelis for Hezbollah's cowardice in mingling with Lebanese civilians. You would the Israelis should say 'oopsy! We had better not target Hezbollah lest we hit civilians and give them the opportunity to fire at our own civilians unmolested. No sir! We shall just sit back and let them fire at our people killing them all in the process whilst we refuse to fire back to prevent the deaths of the Lebanese civilians amongst whom Hezbollah is hiding.'

I saw the news along with reading reports and listening to them. Ever seen Israeli tanks and howitzers firing into southern Lebanon? Asked why the Israeli soldiers moved amongst their ammunition without worry of being hit an Israeli soldier replied 'Hezbollah cannot hit us.' The reporter asked why not? The soldier replied 'because they are aiming at Israeli civilians.' This shows the difference between the two combatants. The Israelis watch where the rockets and missiles are fired from and aim there. By contrast Hezbollah specifically aims at Israeli towns and cities. If Hezbollah is truly fighting Israel, why do they not attempt to fire at Israeli military targets? Why has there been no reports of Israeli tanks or howitzers being hit? Obviously Hezbollah knows where they are. One need only learn from which direction the shells are coming at them. So it is endless. Hezbollah fires into Israeli towns and cities hoping to inflict the most casualties possible. The IDF note the direction from which the rockets and missiles are fired and respond accordingly using their tanks and howitzers. Hezbollah moves their equipment to yet another location upon the realisation that the IDF has discovered their whereabouts. They then fire into Israeli towns and cities yet again from this new location. The IDF naturally responds accordingly. This continues on all day. Hezbollah fires into innocent Israeli citizens. The IDF fires at Hezbollah. Do you see the difference or must you pay yet another visit to your Optometrist?

 

[SaintLucifer]

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Isreal is by far the best military power in the middle east. A Lebonese alignment with Israel would be about equal to the Canadian alignment with the USA.

the days of military solutions to cultural tensions went the way of the dodo with arrival of the small arms trade and has only gotten worse since then.

THAT

is the reality.

there ARE things Lebanon and Israel can work on together. bombing the south into the stoneage and validating Hezbollah in the process is not an option.

Slight misconception there. The IDF is not bombing southern Lebanon into the Stone Age. They are bombing Hezbollah into the Stone Age. If Israel had intended to specifically target Lebanon the entire country would be under Israeli rule by now. So why have the Israelis not taken Lebanon? Simple. That country is not their target. Hezbollah is. All that damage in southern Lebanon? Blame Hezbollah for that and not the Israelis.

 

[BitWhys]

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