bevvyd said:I believe the human body needs to get sick every once in a while to keep our immune system healthy
bevvyd said:I heard about the lotteries some states are holding. It's not very nice of them to incite fear that, IMO, this lottery would bring about.
Not all elders who die of the flu are "happy" with that. This line of thinking is somehow wrong Haggis. You assume every elder who dies of the flu, wants to die of the flu, rather than dieing from something else. Does this mean we shouldn't care less about elders with a bad health, and just throw everything on the pile of "a humane death"? Besides the elders, by the way, there are also a lot of younger, relatively healthy people, who can get some serious problems when they get the flu. I recall a girl in my class who had to get a shot every year (twice, actually), because she had something with her heart and catching the flu could have serious consequences for her. And besides this all, never heard of the Spanish Flu? Or all those other influenza epidemics who have taken the lives of millions? Influenza viruses are able to mutate; in fact, with every new epidemic, this just means the virus (although it's theoratically not even one single virus, but all sorts of viruses under the name of influenza) has evolved again. Numbers show that some years, the flu is more active and more deadly, and more people die of it.Haggis McBagpipe said:As for elders, I have noticed that where once 'flu and pneumonia were considered the 'old person's friend' because they often gave a relatively painless exit to old people suffering from serious health conditions. Now, those old people are spared from dying from pneumonia and 'flu and instead get to die much more slowly and painfully from other, more agonizing, conditions.
Rick van Opbergen said:This line of thinking is somehow wrong Haggis.
You assume every elder who dies of the 'flu, wants to die of the 'flu, rather than dieing from something else.
Sorry, my apologies. My point was (and is): yes there are old folks who die of the flu, and heck, there is a certain number of them for whom the flu is indeed a humane way to end their lives, for the reasons you said (loneliness, pain); but, there are also people who have indeed problems with their health, but not necessarily want to give up life - who have a great family, a good social life etc. Now, I understand now that I was a bit overreacting, partly out of misconception. My apologies for that. But I do not think this is warning is only creating unwanted fear, for the reasons stated in my first post.Haggis McBagpipe said:Well, I didn't realize that a personal observation based on personal experiences could be wrong, but, well, I guess I was wrong.
Oh and our house had the flu last month and there was no vaccine out there yet. It's a doozy.
Rick van Opbergen said:Now, I understand now that I was a bit overreacting, partly out of misconception. My apologies for that. But I do not think this is warning is only creating unwanted fear, for the reasons stated in my first post.
vista said:There is many areas we can go with this one but I won't tread too far.
All I'll say is that I don't get this shot and I am more than happy to pass my allocation on to anyone who hasn't done their homework.