Favourite Peoples Revolutionary Leader Military or Otherwise

Daz_Hockey

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commonsense here Blackleaf, I'm not saying that Ghandi wasnt a traitor.....just a nicer one than many who have come before or since.
 

Jay

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Daz_Hockey said:
nah...just the lies, we've been through this before, I blame the french, Spanish, Belgiuns and italians for that little humiliation.

and as I stated before, Gandi is a better example because he realised that we are not all rich here, that we indeed paid MORE taxes than any American (who, in the end the war taxes were paying for...ungrateful traitors), in fact I bet if you checked the figures, almost no one in the american colonies were even reaching the povity rife in england then....and you have the nerve to go on about how rich we were becoming on your taxes...tell tht to the people in the slums of most of england.

Sound like they bailed before it got as bad as England...
 

Jay

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Blackleaf said:
Gotta be Gandi....he understood that it was a total hypocritical fallicy to suggest that ALL of Britain was rich and that ALL of his nation was poor.

Are you a traitor?

I think anyone who tries to get independence for his country from the greatest nation that has ever existed on the face of this planet is......stupid.

In my opinion, Britain should rule every nation on the planet.

But your not capable of doing so.
 

Blackleaf

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Why is that...was is the disgrace or the humiliation he put you guys through?
Despite what Americans think, Washington wasn't a very good military leader.

And the British won the majority of the battles during the War of Independence, not the colonists. We only gave you your independence because you were one of our lesser colonies - you didn't mean much to us - and fighting the French was more important to us.
 

Blackleaf

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This is a review of a book about the War of Independence -


At last, a book about the American War that scrapes away all that patriotic, American propaganda surrounding this conflict for the last two-hundred years and produces an unbiased, accurate and honest version of events!

Most American writers would have you believe that the British were military inept buffoons during this war, but that isn't the truth, just patriotic boasting! In fact, the British won most of the battles, the Americans spent most of the war on the defensive and were saved by the King of France in the end!

Another American myth that's destroyed here is the idea that the Americans won the war by sniping at the dumb British redcoats from behind trees with accurate rifles. In fact, BOTH sides used rifles, but mostly smooth-bore muskets. Therefore, the Americans never had any range advantage over the British whatsoever.

George Washington is also correctly exposed as a mediocre general who lost two-thirds of the battles he fought against the British and wasn't the great military genius his admirers would have us all believe today.

Also, and perhaps most interestingly, the myth about 'British tyranny' provoking the American Colonies to rebel is examined and smashed. In fact, the American Colonies had all the freedoms that the Britons back home did.

Trouble started when a radical, hard-line group of the American elite came to power in the American Colonies and wanted to break away from Britain to pursue their own agenda. Only when this was refused, the cries about 'British tyranny' began.

But, then again, if you're an American rebel trying to engineer a war and stir up unjustified trouble, what else are you going to say to encourage Americans to join the army and hate the British! British tyranny to the Americans is a myth also.

This book is a good and insightful read, but I doubt it'll go down well with American readers as it explodes the myth of their 'creation myth', and they won't like that!

amazon.co.uk
 

Daz_Hockey

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Jay said:
Daz_Hockey said:
nah...just the lies, we've been through this before, I blame the french, Spanish, Belgiuns and italians for that little humiliation.

and as I stated before, Gandi is a better example because he realised that we are not all rich here, that we indeed paid MORE taxes than any American (who, in the end the war taxes were paying for...ungrateful traitors), in fact I bet if you checked the figures, almost no one in the american colonies were even reaching the povity rife in england then....and you have the nerve to go on about how rich we were becoming on your taxes...tell tht to the people in the slums of most of england.

Sound like they bailed before it got as bad as England...

maybe ur right, but you cannot shut the rest of the world off...and they were still british subjects
 

Jay

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"the British won most of the battles,"

It is hard to win with pitch folks, but American did win the ones that counted despit that.


You should be gratefull America exists.
 

Blackleaf

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(who, in the end the war taxes were paying for...ungrateful traitors), in fact I bet if you checked the figures, almost no one in the american colonies were even reaching the povity rife in england then....and you have the nerve to go on about how rich we were becoming on your taxes...tell tht to the people in the slums of most of england.



Sound like they bailed before it got as bad as England...

British "tyranny" was an American myth.

For a start, the British living in Britain paid TWELVE times as much in taxes as the Brits living in the American plantations.

As for standard of living, the colonists should have tried living in Britain in the 1700s and 1800s. That is, if they wanted to be hanged for stealing a loaf of bread or dying in a cholera epidemic and living in streets covered with raw sewage.
 

Jay

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Blackleaf said:
- you didn't mean much to us .

Well then what are you whinning about?


The Brits sucked admit it... :p
 

cortez

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Daz_Hockey said:
nah...just the lies, we've been through this before, I blame the french, Spanish, Belgiuns and italians for that little humiliation.

i profess total ignaorance on this subject how were the french and spanish etc to blame for that-- serious question
 

Daz_Hockey

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"pitch forks" were just a youthanism jay, come on, the marketeers got em more than that.....still america lost to less in vietnam
 

Daz_Hockey

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sorry cortez....Blackleaf has explained that GW lost about 80% of his battles, the french were stationed in the harbours, so were the spanish and flems...and prussians...and pretty much the whole of the EU saw it as an opertunity to all fall in on britain at that EXACT time...coincedence?....they dont teach you that in america
 

cortez

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yeah ok i got you now
like how the spanish helped the rebels bringing in supplies thru pensacola etc.....

yeah i do think we sort of vaguely were taught that the french helped -- and to a lesser extent the spanish in the south-- but the involvement of the felms and italians is new to me..interesting
though at the time britain had not quite attained its maximum potential yet-- and the french and spanish a still a little kick left in them to tip the balance--
i think they probably hastened the outcome but independance probably would have been achieved anyway.. who knows
 

Jay

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Daz_Hockey said:
"pitch forks" were just a youthanism jay, come on, the marketeers got em more than that.....still america lost to less in vietnam

It could be, I'm actually not up on my American revolutionary war battle to battle history...but still, they really wamped you asses boy....sent the lot pack'n - red coats flapp'n from the wind they be move'n try'n to get outta there......got ya real good!

:lol:

I'm just kidding....sorta...maybe. :p
 

Daz_Hockey

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probably.....the way I heard it on the tv the other week, all the EU nations grouped up to stop a "possible" emerging superpower.....didnt work did it.


I never understood how we grew apart so much, we were brothers afterall
 

cortez

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it the other way around
we were enemies back then
now were brothers
 

Daz_Hockey

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nah we were brothers to begin with (even a few years before the "civil" war)...it was all a misunderstanding
 

Jay

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Daz_Hockey said:
I never understood how we grew apart so much, we were brothers afterall

I don't think you have all that much. It's not something I would worry about these days.
 

jimmoyer

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Blackleaf, I'm not sure that you are up to date
on most American historians lately.

Most likely you are reacting to the general American
understanding of it, which is as your post indicates,
but most American historians quite accurately
document in great detail the points in your post.

Your post is hardly news, nor shocking, nor even
fresh.

The book by John McCulloh on our 2nd President,
John Adams, quite accurately tells the story of
how slipshod and fragile the American military effort
was, and yet adds even more fascinating detail, even
debunking the ever popular Jefferson.

Most history is about over-reacting to compensate
for the myths of the past, and in so over-compensating
end up replacing a false portrayal with a new
false portrayal.

The reality is the devil in complicated detail.

The failures of Washington and Adams are even more amazing
for their mythical endurance and bravery that would
have brought any other man down.

Debunking often prides itself as truth, yet always is
a mixture of new truths and new lies.
 

Doryman

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Jay said:
It could be, I'm actually not up on my American revolutionary war battle to battle history...but still, they really wamped you asses boy....sent the lot pack'n - red coats flapp'n from the wind they be move'n try'n to get outta there......got ya real good!

:lol:

I'm just kidding....sorta...maybe. :p


HAHA!! Now I can't get Johnny Horton outta my head!

We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.


8) Gotta love that old time country!


Can't think on too many revolutionaries I like a lot. I like what Castro and Guevar did in Cuba (Batista needed to go) but I'm completely against what they've did since then...

I'll go with Cromwell, I guess.