Fallujah: Retina Scan and Take ID Card....Or Die

moghrabi

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You are right Calm, the edit and delete buttons are gone. I have to make a complaint to see if we have to bring a note.
 

Paco

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Paranoid Dot Calm said:
This is a pretty hard hitting article:

You asked for my evidence, Mr Ambassador. Here it is
In Iraq, the US does eliminate those who dare to count the dead
By Naomi Klein
December 04, 2004
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1366349,00.html

The article claims it will provide evidence, but only provides anecdotal stories and draws false conclusions.

Eliminating journalists
The images from last month's siege on Falluja came almost exclusively from reporters embedded with US troops. This is because Arab journalists who had covered April's siege from the civilian perspective had effectively been eliminated.

Could it be, no reporter was dumb enough to embed with the terrorists? That they fled with the civilians?

On April 8, a US aircraft bombed al-Jazeera's Baghdad offices, killing reporter Tareq Ayyoub. Al-Jazeera has documentation proving it gave the coordinates of its location to US forces.

Finding examples of civilians who die in battle then claiming premeditation is deceptive misrepresentation. The only ones who do not recognize this are those who want to believe the misrepresentation. Every war and every military has killed civilians. Some were deliberate and some were not.

What conspiracy theory does this “journalist” have for the soldiers who die from friendly fire.

Whether the clinic was targeted or destroyed accidentally, the effect was the same: to eliminate many of Falluja's doctors from the war zone.

Here, the “journalist” makes no attempt to prove anything. They only point to the end result as if that was evidence of some evil premeditated plan.
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Hi! Paco

I must read the news quite differently than most folks do. To me it is just "cheap" entertainment and not simply a quest for truth.
I don't read an article like you seem to do. I don't read it as an investigative reporter would, because it makes little difference to me.

I thought the article was quite controversial and that is what I enjoy about reading commentary. My favorite articles are written by soldiers. I really like reading their accounts because some are pretty brutal in nature.

Injured Iraq war vets don't look for pity
At Walter Reed, profiles of courage and determination
By Brian Williams
December 01, 2004
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6631434

So, I can't argue the points you made, athough they may be correct. I posted it because it was controversial.

Hey Moghrabi

I found the "edit" button ..... it moved over to the left of the interface.

Calm
 

Reverend Blair

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The article claims it will provide evidence, but only provides anecdotal stories and draws false conclusions.

She lists where the information cam from and what that information is, Paco. Just because it doesn't come from the US government does not disqualify it.

What conspiracy theory does this “journalist” have for the soldiers who die from friendly fire.

No need to put journalist in quotes...she is a journalist. A damned good one. The attacks on al-Jazeera and the Palestine Hotel have angered the world press because it seems very much like the US military was targeting journalists. Reporters Without Borders is very much a non-partisan organisation that strives to be fair. They criticise both sides and look at the evidence carefully.

The US has shown a pattern of bombing and/or not protecting hospitals etc. throughout this illegal invasion. They have shown no respect for the Iraqi people, have in fact demonstrated a careless apathy for their well-being.

They have also shown a complete disregard for the safety of the non-embedded press and an outright hostility towards members of the press who are critical of US actions.

I realise that won't make it into the "fair and balanced" journalism practiced at Fox News, but the entire world laughs at Fox News because it is so far from any journalistic standard that it makes Pravda back in the former USSR look like a responsible and independent endeavour.
 

moghrabi

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Calm, Did you know that they have special Israeli agents training the US guys in Iraq on how to do it the Israeli way?
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Yes. Moghrabi, I suspected that much.

The U.S. has very few linquists or translators. Israel is playing a huge part in this war because they have the language skills required.

Israelis Trained US Troops in Jenin-style Urban Warfare
By Justin Huggler
March 29, 2003
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0329-07.htm

Israels involvement in Iraq: Torture and Petroleum
Israeli experts in torture have taken part in the torture of the Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib Jail
May 21, 2004
http://s023.dyndns.org/kawther/K20040519A.html#Update_21.05.2004

Israel's Battle in Fallujah
By Rashid Khashana
November 22, 2004
http://english.daralhayat.com/opini...1bf698-c0a8-10ed-002f-992445bfcb5c/story.html

Israelis 'using Kurds to build power base'
By Gary Younge
June 21, 2004
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/index.php?id=P1067

Report: Israel operating hundreds of agents in northern Iraq
By Nathan Guttman
June 21, 2004
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/...1&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

Israeli Interrogator at Abu Ghraib Prison Claim on BBC
July 3, 2004
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3158747

Israeli interrogators in Iraq
July 07, 2004
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr040707_1_n.shtml

Israeli Company to Supply Fuel to US Army in Iraq
February 24, 2004
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=58458

Israel is using Iraqi Kurdistan to spy on Iran and Syria
October 03, 2004
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/conspiracy_theory/fullstory.asp?id=162

Israeli intelligence helped creating the fake Iraqi threat
September 19, 2004
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/conspiracy_theory/fullstory.asp?id=160

I found this story some time ago. I don't have the link, so I need to post the complete story.

Israeli Business Invasion Into Iraq
By Sharaga Elam

The Israeli daily Ma'ariv reported on April 2, 2004 on a wide scale Israeli
business invasion into Iraq. 70-100 Israeli firms have been storming Iraq over
the last year. "Most of them do not like to speak about it," writes Ma'ariv.
"[They export] Beer, phones, textiles, electronics, buses, bullet-proof vests,
shielded vehicles, everything goes, even fuel. What are the Jordanians doing?

Mediating. The Iraqis? - Buying. The Americans? - Closing their eyes. It is no wonder that in Baghdad rumours circulate that the Israelis, including a former chief of staff, have bought already half of Iraq."

The first shot for this invasion came on July 21, 2003 when Israeli finance
minister Benyamin Netanyahu signed an authorization enabling Israel to trade
with Iraq, according to the Trade with the Enemy Ordinance, pursuant to which Iraq shall not be considered anymore an enemy nation.

In the Israeli official announcement one can read: "Minister Netanyahu signed
the Ordinance amendment after meeting with numerous business people who
expressed their willingness to conduct commercial relations with Iraq, while
presenting the inherent business potential."

This step was conceived skeptically in Washington as it seems capable of
corroborating the views emphasizing the role of Israel and its US lobby in
pushing America towards the Iraq war.

Five months after Netanyahu's declaration, the US published the name of the
states allowed to tender a bid for the reconstruction of Iraq. Though it
supported the war, Israel was missing on this list in order not to annoy and
embarrass Arab countries and especially the Iraqis.

Notwithstanding the impression that Washington tries to create, Israelis are
allowed to participate as sub-contractors in the reconstruction work. This was confirmed by the media officer of the US Program Management Office (PMO) in Iraq, Bruce Cole, in an e-mail to Ma'ariv. "Israeli companies," he wrote, "may act as sub-contractors in construction tenders and are allowed to win tenders for supplying services and equipments."

The Iraqi businessmen dealing with the Israelis are aware in many cases of the identity of their counterparts, but of course not the Iraqi public, who is very hostile towards such developments. Some of the goods, like used cars, are sent to Jordan, where they are stripped from anything that might identify them as originating in Israel. In one case, 1,500 air conditioners still had some
inscriptions in Hebrew and the Jordanian competitors were quick to make public this marketing mistake. The whole shipment had then to be withdrawn and caused heavy losses for the Israeli investors and the cancellation of another project.

Netafim, which makes drip irrigation systems, already sold its smart products
to Iraq during Saddam Hussein's era and naturally hope now to extend its
activities in this country.

Some other Israeli commodities sold are used buses of the Tel Aviv bus company Dan, or bullet-proof vests worth $ 12 million dollars (US) produced by Rabintex, which in 1991-2 had already sold special fire-retardant clothings to Iran. The Israeli defence ministry claims that Rabintex products and that of another company are sold only to the coalition forces in Iraq. These forces are supplied with fuel through the Israeli company Sonol as part of a $70 million contract.

Transclal Trade LTD, logistic services filed the first bill of lading to Iraq
in August 3, 2003; the content of this consignment: 9 tons of electronics and
other consumption goods. Another Israeli transportation company, Agish reports about some 20-30 shipments to Iraq and Ma'ariv estimates the value of goods transported to Iraq through Israel in the last year at $40 million (US). The volume of shipments should increase, considering the expected closing of the Syrian sea ports for traffic to Iraq. In this case the Israeli ports will be of more importance.

Most of the Israeli transportation companies cooperate with Jordanian firms,
who collect the goods at the border between the two countries, and then repack them in order to erase any Israeli traces.

Some of the Israeli companies, writes Ma'ariv, wishing to be active in Iraq,
joined US, European or Arab companies in order to make bids as sub contractors for the real big money by the tenders of the US army and coalition provisional authority.

Ma'ariv estimates, for example, that some 15 Israel companies succeeded in
getting fat Iraqi contracts from Bechtel, who on its side won orders in the
value of billions of US dollars. The procedure, according to an involved
Israeli businessman, is very far from good administration, as the US Defense
Department is not accustomed to manage a country. The Israeli companies who succeed in getting the closed tenders are those who possess excellent US connections.

A list of Israeli companies active in Iraq:

The bus company Dan (used buses)
Rabintex ( bullet-proof vests)
Shirionit Hosem (security doors)
Etz Carmiel (doors and other wood products for border posts)
Tambour (paints)
Tempo (beer and other drinks)
Tami 4 (Water-purifying application)
Trellidor (folding bars)
Tanurgaz (kitchens)
Iridium Israel (mobile satellite communication services)
Sakal (electronic products)
Naan Dan(irrigation equipment)
Sonol (fuel)

In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the
belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals.
A partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith,
William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer.