Ex-European looks back at Europe....with horror.

jimmoyer

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You certainly did have a choice ITN.

You went out to world wide web to find it.

And in my opinion you find spin, different perspectives
all over the place and so you compare and
contrast what you witness.

Whether the world media or the US media
is completely wrong is silly, because at various times
both are highly debateable points of views.

Maybe others don't search for these choices
as you do, but such is the division of labor in all
of our busy lives.
 

jimmoyer

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Think percentages ITN.

The percentage that often passionately involves itself
in debate generally has more knowlege than those
who aren't as pathetically interested as we.

And there is a process as events move forward
proving or disproving ideas.

Sometimes the aggregate of the public must go
through a gestation period of processing the debate
and parts of the news they hear.

And your disdain for those you say are told what
to believe would rise up to defy your opinion of them.

You know of anyone who admits to being brainwashed?

We are forever dealing with each other who thinks
they think for themselves.

Perhaps all of us are creatures of our habit, culture,
upbringing --- all of which constitute both good
and bad forms of brainwashing.

We are always subject to influence, and we subject
others to our influence and we defy those who
have great influence --- but then I guess we're not
subject to the influence we defy ?

I think we think too little of the public
and we think too little of our leaders
and we think too little of other countries.

The irony and the paradox is that we're right
about each other !!
 

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The EU.

BRITAIN'S EU 'PARTNERS'

Eurofanatics may go on about how wonderful the EU is. But just who are our 24 so-called 'partners'? Here is a brief run-down of those 'partners' of ours, plus the three candidate states.

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Austria

Was the biggest noise in the Holy Roman Empire (First Reich) until ousted by Prussia, which formed Germany and booted Austria out. Has been trying to get back in ever since. Disgraced itself in World War 2 by forming union with Hitler's Germany. Lots of mountains and a conveniently short memory.

Belgium

Probably the most useless country in the world. Historically of interest to us because its ports offered the easiest way to invade us. After the Napoleonic Wars was forced into short alliance with Netherlands before breaking away in 1830. Unfortunately Great Britain guaranteed its future security, dragging us into World Wars 1 and 2. Site of Waterloo, where the British saved Europe, and which is now a shrine to the French Emperor Napoleon. Country hopelessly split between Walloons (north) and Flemish (south).

Cyprus

Er, half of Cyprus, to be exact. The island was partitioned when Turkey invaded the northern half in 1974. Stupidly the EU said they would let the Greek (southern) half in even if they refused a reunification vote. Of course they voted no, a fitting start to their membership. A former British possession from 1878, it gained independence in 1960 apart from two small British naval bases.

Czech Republic

Bohemia and Moravia. Formerly united with Slovakia after World War One into Czechoslovakia. In this form it was sold down the river by Neville Chamberlaine, precipitating World War 2. People I know who have been there love it.

Denmark

Spirited little country which upsets Europe by insisting on democratic votes on big EU changes. Was forced into revote when it voted against Maastricht in 1992. Home of Vikings.

Republic of Ireland

Covertly supported terrorist IRA for most of the 20th century, and the only country apart from Japan to send commiserations to Germany on Hitler's suicide in 1945. Has seen its Protestant population cut by 90% in less than 100 years. Still toying with illegal claims on Northern Ireland.

Estonia

Most northerly of the Baltic States, the first three to break away upon the collapse of the USSR in the early nineties.

France

Our worst enemies in Europe, who formed the EU to get back at having to rely on British help in World War 2. Still upset that we have a station called Waterloo and a square called Trafalgar in London. Try not to mention Agincourt, Crecy, Poitiers, Ramillies, Blenheim, Waterloo, World War 1, etc. Don't try too hard.

Finland

Managed a long drawn-out escape from Russia in the 20th century, including a shameful alliance with Nazi Germany. Largely empty. Home of Vikings.

Germany

United 1866, and has spent much of the time since trying to beat up on its neighbours and annihilating select bits of the human race. Divided in 1949 (post-WW2) into West and East Germany. West Germany formed EU with France in the fifties as a deal; German money to French farmers in return for Germany being cleansed of mass genocide and readmitted to human race. Reunited with East Germany 1990. Hates us for beating them in World Wars 1 and 2.

Greece

Joined EU for two reasons, to annoy Turkey and for the fraudulent subsidies. The home of civilization, but hates the Brits though we secured their independence from the Ottoman Empire in the 1820's, and even gave them the Ionian Isles for free in 1864.

Hungary

Part of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire, which was split up after World War 1. Hungary's borders were greatly reduced, losing many Magyars (Hungarians) to neighbouring countries, mostly Romania. Allied to Nazi Germany in World War Two.

Italy

Largely pointless country, shaped like a boot. Contributed little to World War 1 and backed Hitler in World War 2.

Latvia

Middle of the three Baltic States.

Lithuania

Glorious medieval past, when an alliance with Poland led to a country stretching from the Baltic to the Black Sea. Rather smaller now.

Luxembourg

Leftover from Europe's past - unfortunately. No use to anyone except those wanting tax breaks and MEPs on the make (i.e. all of them).

Malta

Great Britain's wartime base in the Mediterranean. Has proved a great problem to the EU because of the lack of Maltese translators.

Netherlands

Flat. Secured independence from Spain thanks to English help in the 1500s and 1600s, but still hates us anyway. Granted sanctuary to Kaiser Bill after World War 1; overrun by Germany in World War 2.

Poland

The one we supported in World War Two, albeit when it was too late. Poland's borders have changed markedly because of war and the advance of Russia.

Portugal

Old-time ally of the English, but nowadays not friendly. Surprising, as we helped secure their independence from Spain on more than one occasion.

Slovakia

Right-hand third of old Czechoslovakia, the poorer end.

Slovenia

First bit of the one-time Yugoslavia to gain admission, it managed to break away from the federal monolith after a short war in 1992. Popular tourist destination, deservedly.

Spain

Anagram of pains. Bulls. Sent an Armada against us in 1588, 1596, 1598 and 1601. Failed on all four occasions, and hasn't forgiven us. Supposedly neutral in the world wars, but was a friend of Hitler in World War 2. Wants Gibraltar back, which it lost to us in a fair fight in 1713, and quite prepared to break all international rules to get it. Gets upset when Ceuta and Melilla (their small enclaves on the African coast) are mentioned in the same breath as Gibraltar, so do this as often as possible.

Sweden

Largely empty. Neutral in World War Two. Home of Vikings.

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CANDIDATE STATES
Bulgaria

Fragment of the old Ottoman Empire, and an ally of Nazi Germany in World War 2.

Croatia

Part of the former Yugoslavia. Somewhat tarred by still giving sanctuary to war criminals from its war for independence.

Macedonia (FYROM)

The Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia (the Greeks won't let it use the shortened form because 'Macedonia' also refers to a northern area of Greece, and they're terrified the FYROMs might attack them. Something of a miracle that such an unstable little country in such an explosive zone has been so quiet.
 

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Blackleaf, give it a rest, it's all Bush's fault.

Here are more items that are Bush's fault in case you missed them.

PMS (Bush's fault)
flat tires (Bush's fault)
stale bread (Bush's fault)
wobbly shopping cart wheels (Bush's fault)
swear words (Bush's fault)
why chickens cant fly (Bush's fault)
AOL (Bush's fault)
Martha Steward (Bush's fault)
fast drivers (Bush's fault)
the pet rock (Bush's fault)
cavities (Bush's fault)
dial-up speeds (Bush's fault)
potholes (Bush's fault)
windows ME (Bush's fault)
flees (Bush's fault)
sqeeky shoes (Bush's fault)
hiccups (Bush's fault)
spam (Bush's fault)
blond jokes (Bush's fault)
dead batteries (Bush's fault)


Well that's just to name a few.
 

Jay

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"swear words (Bush's fault) "


I thought that was your fault, ITN....
 

jimmoyer

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You know Blackleaf's 2nd posted article in this
thread about each EU country made me recall a moment
in the 70s in a Washington DC restaurant and I
made an acquaintance who absolutely claimed he
was Estonian. At that time, all I knew was that they were were part of 3 Baltic USSR republics and knowing enough to be really dumb, I questioned his insistence that he was Estonian, suspecting rather in my wisdom he
was really Russian.
 

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Colpy said:
Finder said:
Yeah you gotta just ~hate~ all those anti american western Europeans who voted against Bush in the last American election. Jesus, why don't people just give up. Can't they see that Bush Jr and the big J.C. are working together here... *rolls eye's and hopes people catch onto my sarcasm.*

J.C. = Jesus Christ, and not Jimmy Carter. =-D

In a way, you are right.

I actually like Bush, but I think George W's most glaring flaw is the unfortunate fact that he believes he was chosen by God to lead the Christian world against the infidel.

Now, I shudder at the very idea of 9-11 happening while Al Gore was President. I support the war against terror, and the Canadian- US alliance in the invasion of Afghanistan. And, even without WMD, I support the removal of Saddam Hussein and the American attempt to democratize Iraq. Damn, I wanted them to take a hard left turn at Baghdad, and head for Damascus. Had they done so, I am convinced they would be having much less trouble now, and they might have found the elusive WMD.

If asked, I would identify myself as a Christian. But the problem with Mr. Bush's slight delusion is that it is a justification of everything he does. If chosen by God, he can hardly be expected to play by the rules of man, thus secret prisons, the Patriot Act, internal spying, vast deficits, and the Constitution as "a piece of paper".

One should be glad he is in his last term.

As long as Hillary Clinton doesn't get in, of course.

Now John McCain.........


I'm not a Bush fan anyhow, but you can see that in almost any nation in the world, Bush is not a figure which brings people together, BUT bitterly devides them. That is Bush's biggest problem.

I think one of the few nations you could say is not divided is the UK. Considering the Social democrats (Labour) leadership support the war in Iraq and Bush. The only party against it is the Liberal Democrats which I'm guessing they are against so they can get the anti war vote considering the Liberal Democrats are right of the Labour party (plus the third party).
 

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Re: RE: Ex-European looks back at Europe....with horror.

jimmoyer said:
You know Blackleaf's 2nd posted article in this
thread about each EU country made me recall a moment
in the 70s in a Washington DC restaurant and I
made an acquaintance who absolutely claimed he
was Estonian. At that time, all I knew was that they were were part of 3 Baltic USSR republics and knowing enough to be really dumb, I questioned his insistence that he was Estonian, suspecting rather in my wisdom he
was really Russian.

Well the USSR.... the name says it all. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, plural, no mention of Russia.

In theory every single one of the 15 Republics, were Republics. Some had more autonomy then others.

Even a lot of the PM's were not from Russia themselves. Stalin was Georgian, a pretty small Republic.