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They (Conquerer, Coragious, Valliant, Spartan, Spendid, Onyx) were all hunting for the carrier because she was truly dangerous. Belgrano was happened upon and followed by Conquerer for a day or two before the decision was made to sink her.
She was a long way fom the islands and sailing the other way from them. It worked, though, as a deterrent and the brave Argentinian navy took tail and ran away
She was attacked because it was thought she was going to attack. The British feared she was to be part of a pincer attack on the Royal Navy along with an aircraft carrier.
The ship's captain Hector Bonzo confirmed that General Belgrano had actually been manoeuvering, not "sailing away" from the exclusion zone, and had orders to sink "any British ship he could find". Further, Captain Bonzo stated that any suggestion that HMS Conqueror's actions were a "betrayal" was utterly wrong; rather, the submarine carried out its duties according to the accepted rules of war.
In August 1994, an official Argentine Defence Ministry report written by armed forces auditor Eugenio Miari was released which described the sinking of General Belgrano as "a legal act of war", explaining that "acts of war can be carried out in all of the enemy's territory" and "they can also take place in those areas over which no state can claim sovereignty, in international waters".
In late 2011, Major David Thorp, a former British military intelligence officer who led the signals intercept team aboard HMS Intrepid, released the book The Silent Listener detailing the role of intelligence in the Falklands War. In the book he stated that despite the fact that General Belgrano was observed by Conqueror sailing away from the Falklands at the time of the attack, she had actually been ordered to proceed to a rendezvous point within the Exclusion Zone. A report prepared by Thorp for Thatcher several months after the incident stated the destination of the vessel was not to her home port as the Argentine Junta stated; the report was not released because the Prime Minister did not want to compromise British signals intelligence capabilities.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano
The sinking occurred 14 hours after President of Peru Fernando Belaúnde proposed a comprehensive peace plan and called for regional unity...
However, settling the controversy in 2003, the ship's captain Hector Bonzo confirmed that General Belgrano had actually been manoeuvering, not "sailing away" from the exclusion zone, and had orders to sink "any British ship he could find".
Further, Captain Bonzo stated that any suggestion that HMS Conqueror's actions were a "betrayal" was utterly wrong; rather, the submarine carried out its duties according to the accepted rules of war.[84]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano
It's beginning to look like Yorgie here never tells the truth about anything.
Belgrano, 25 years on
In a moving account, he recalls how, years later, he travelled to Argentina and met the Belgrano captain, Hector Bonzo, in a Buenos Aires cafe.
"The atmosphere was tense, and while I understood snippets of their exchange, much of it eluded me. Bonzo then turned to me and spoke in Spanish. He told me that, in his view, the sinking of the Belgrano had been "politically criminal". I nodded and told him that I agreed with him and I felt that he hesitated at that, as if to take another, closer look at me."
That was seven years ago. Capt Bonzo, in an interview published (in Spanish) in the Argentinian newspaper Clarin today, says he does not believe, however, that it was a war crime.
"It was an act of war."
https://www.theguardian.com/news/blog/2007/may/02/belgranoannive
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Your post just beat mine BL as I was hitting the button, lol.
However, settling the controversy in 2003, the ship's captain Hector Bonzo confirmed that General Belgrano had actually been manoeuvering, not "sailing away" from the exclusion zone, and had orders to sink "any British ship he could find".
Further, Captain Bonzo stated that any suggestion that HMS Conqueror's actions were a "betrayal" was utterly wrong; rather, the submarine carried out its duties according to the accepted rules of war.[84]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano
It's beginning to look like Yorgie here never tells the truth about anything.
Belgrano, 25 years on
In a moving account, he recalls how, years later, he travelled to Argentina and met the Belgrano captain, Hector Bonzo, in a Buenos Aires cafe.
"The atmosphere was tense, and while I understood snippets of their exchange, much of it eluded me. Bonzo then turned to me and spoke in Spanish. He told me that, in his view, the sinking of the Belgrano had been "politically criminal". I nodded and told him that I agreed with him and I felt that he hesitated at that, as if to take another, closer look at me."
That was seven years ago. Capt Bonzo, in an interview published (in Spanish) in the Argentinian newspaper Clarin today, says he does not believe, however, that it was a war crime.
"It was an act of war."
https://www.theguardian.com/news/blog/2007/may/02/belgranoannive
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Your post just beat mine BL as I was hitting the button, lol.
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Oh, it was a legal act of war and the sinking of Belgrano did trick as a message to the Junta but Belgrano itself was not a particularly dangerous vessel. Fish in a barrel ....
... although Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and diplomats in London did not see this document until after the sinking of General Belgrano. Diplomatic efforts to that point had failed completely. After the sinking, Argentina rejected the plan but the UK indicated its acceptance on 5 May.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano
4 violent deaths in the uk as the mercury rises.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lworth-brixton-east-ham-croydon-a8981296.html
Researchers have suggested that warmer weather may contribute to increases in violent crime. Last year, a senior officer warned that heatwaves increased pressure on police because the public “react very strangely” to the conditions.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lworth-brixton-east-ham-croydon-a8981296.html
Researchers have suggested that warmer weather may contribute to increases in violent crime. Last year, a senior officer warned that heatwaves increased pressure on police because the public “react very strangely” to the conditions.
The climate change you should be worried about is when the world stops buying the bullshit the loco collective supports without question or qualm.