Ethical dilemma
- Thread starter CDNBear
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Bear your jigs are worth something. Make a price for it or it stays where it is thats it!
Pay him back the material minus your troubles if it goes there. I know your insecurities towards losing business, but if you let your self walked on you will create that for a reputation too.
My opinion.
Easy to say it now but this is something you can avoid in the future.
P>S> like to see that E-mail too.
Pay him back the material minus your troubles if it goes there. I know your insecurities towards losing business, but if you let your self walked on you will create that for a reputation too.
My opinion.
Easy to say it now but this is something you can avoid in the future.
P>S> like to see that E-mail too.
CDNBear... do nothing!
He'll get the message if you ignore his emails, and if he confronts your or calls your home, you give him back the steel or the value of the steel, and tell him nothing else.
He'll get the message if you ignore his emails, and if he confronts your or calls your home, you give him back the steel or the value of the steel, and tell him nothing else.
Actually you should patent the jigs. Yet that is more $ lost. He would go away.
Tell him that you own them outright, and he wants them you can have them patented for him with
futher cost to him of course.
I'm sure if you research patents, they is a clause in there stating that they are yours even without the patent.
Tell him that you own them outright, and he wants them you can have them patented for him with
futher cost to him of course.
I'm sure if you research patents, they is a clause in there stating that they are yours even without the patent.
Thanx for all the support guys, much appreciated.
I have pretty much come to the conclusion, that I will be keeping them. Until I cut them up that is.
I know it seems petty, but for the strife and grief this ass has put me through over the past couple years and the fact that I likely won't see the money he already owes me, it seems quite fair. Not to mention that slurs the man has thrown around about me and some of my associates.
I have asked a couple guys in the industry, who have told me that I erred when I took money from him for the jigs. They stated I could just hand over the jigs, chaulk it up as a learning experience and move on, but I'm to much the Bear to do that. When they build jigs for their convenience, it is out of their pocket if they were not part of the contract. In this case, they say I should refund his money, but I have no legal obligation to hand over what is my design and my labour, lest he pay me for it. I highly doubt that will happen, so I guess he's SOL.
I won't put myself in this position again, I can garauntee that.
I have pretty much come to the conclusion, that I will be keeping them. Until I cut them up that is.
I know it seems petty, but for the strife and grief this ass has put me through over the past couple years and the fact that I likely won't see the money he already owes me, it seems quite fair. Not to mention that slurs the man has thrown around about me and some of my associates.
I have asked a couple guys in the industry, who have told me that I erred when I took money from him for the jigs. They stated I could just hand over the jigs, chaulk it up as a learning experience and move on, but I'm to much the Bear to do that. When they build jigs for their convenience, it is out of their pocket if they were not part of the contract. In this case, they say I should refund his money, but I have no legal obligation to hand over what is my design and my labour, lest he pay me for it. I highly doubt that will happen, so I guess he's SOL.
I won't put myself in this position again, I can garauntee that.
Bear, leave emotions aside, I know its hard to do sometimes, but this is business.
Weigh your options, look at the cost factor involved if he happens to sue. Even if he doesn't have a leg to stand on, that doesn't mean he won't sue, it all depends what type of person he is and how much he believes he is getting the bad end of the deal.
If there is no additional cost impact to you, consider giving him what he wants, perhaps you can both make a compromise, a few bucks in exchange for the jigs.
Do you have an attorney? If he hasn't paid you, a lien or lawsuit may be something YOU should be looking into (not sure about laws up there).
My initial reaction to your post, was f*ck him, that's emotional talk. Look at it from a strictly business point of view, what is going to cost you less and make you more money. That's the issue here.
Weigh your options, look at the cost factor involved if he happens to sue. Even if he doesn't have a leg to stand on, that doesn't mean he won't sue, it all depends what type of person he is and how much he believes he is getting the bad end of the deal.
If there is no additional cost impact to you, consider giving him what he wants, perhaps you can both make a compromise, a few bucks in exchange for the jigs.
Do you have an attorney? If he hasn't paid you, a lien or lawsuit may be something YOU should be looking into (not sure about laws up there).
My initial reaction to your post, was f*ck him, that's emotional talk. Look at it from a strictly business point of view, what is going to cost you less and make you more money. That's the issue here.
Bear
When you take your car to the garage to get it fixed...you're paying for the mechanics training and ability. The fee charged by the mechanic is (supposedly) a rate of compensation commensurate with the skills and abilities he or she can bring to resolving the issue or problem that resulted in your seeking out this expertise in the first place.
You aren't requried to pay anything more than the fee charged for services rendered..and any parts or consumables..ie. oil, grease, WD-40 etc. Similarly, your verbal contract with this person was for trays..and if it cost you something to produce those trays, you're entitled to reimbursement for the time and material it took to ensure the product was satisfactory to your customer. You aren't under any obligation to hand over anything that wasn't initially agreed-upon in your contract with this consumer.
No ethical dilema Bear...just someone who's hoping they can turn the tables on you to gain an advantage over the person he/she would give your 'jigs' to...to beat that other player down in price..
Relax Bear, you owe this character nothing.
When you take your car to the garage to get it fixed...you're paying for the mechanics training and ability. The fee charged by the mechanic is (supposedly) a rate of compensation commensurate with the skills and abilities he or she can bring to resolving the issue or problem that resulted in your seeking out this expertise in the first place.
You aren't requried to pay anything more than the fee charged for services rendered..and any parts or consumables..ie. oil, grease, WD-40 etc. Similarly, your verbal contract with this person was for trays..and if it cost you something to produce those trays, you're entitled to reimbursement for the time and material it took to ensure the product was satisfactory to your customer. You aren't under any obligation to hand over anything that wasn't initially agreed-upon in your contract with this consumer.
No ethical dilema Bear...just someone who's hoping they can turn the tables on you to gain an advantage over the person he/she would give your 'jigs' to...to beat that other player down in price..
Relax Bear, you owe this character nothing.
I like it herm, I like it a lot! I wouldn't give him last night's Echo, after I'd read it!