England, NOT the mother country

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the mother country

So that means y'all keep Ten'see 'round for other purposes? :lol:

Darn tootin.

Im going to have to come down there and teach you a lesson aren't I?

Ya, come, camp site is all set.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

simple fact is this: upper canada and lower canada (quebec) already exsisted before the revolutionary war (or as some call it in the uk, the second civil war).

Wrong Daz-Hockey. Upper Canada which you mean Ontario, did not exist before the American Revolutionary War from 1776 to 1783. There was a new English speaking community in Montreal that was created after the Conquest in 1759. France was defeated by Britain on the Plains of Abraham in 1759. Canada ceased being a Royal Province of France and became a British colony from this time.

In 1791, Britain took the decision to divide the province of Quebec into Upper Canada and Lower Canada. (Cdn Encyclopedia, page 1372, column one).

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

1759? bit of a close one....look this is silly, just admit it, the "americans" who moved to canada, moved to canada because they wanted no part of being "american" or a revolutionary...so basically, that blows you out the water, if you told those people they were american (as in george washington's bunch) they would be sorely offended so think about it.....Canada is a country today INSPITE of the US, not because of it

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Daz-Hockey, you are so wrong. My boat is still floating. Up to 1759 there was a mighty struggle between the French and the English for control of North America, it was another hundred years war across the Atlantic. Canada, with its French and Roman Catholic population was not an English or Protestant colony like Rhode Island or New York, and many say this was the start of the British empire.

The "americans" as you say who moved to Canada after 1759 did not intend to shed their American identity, because there had been no Revolution yet, and there would not be one for a number of years. George Washington was a minor figure in 1759. They simply saw opportunity, moved north and took economic control under the new British regime. They were the first "English" in Canada, but they were American English, from outposts of the empire, not England.

These post 1759-1765 immigrants were much different from the United Empire Loyalists that immigrated to Canada after the 1776-1783 American Revolutionary War who did not want to be a part of the new United States.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

this as maybe, but.......the french and the english were duke'n it out for many years........but my point is that they may not be entirely english, I have no quibble with that, but is it not fair to say those who chose to move to canada and NOT the US did it mostly out of a conscieous desicsion not to be American, but Canada, which is currently of course an amalglamation of English and French territorial gains and native american land isnt there because of anything to do with the US.

Oh by the way, it does remind me of England

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

The Cdn establishment simply doesn't like to acknowledge the role the US immigrants played Canada's history. Canada, once solely French, became English and French, ergo Britsh, post 1759. British is a cultural term, not a linguistic one.

Don Cherry says on TV that he wishes there things in Canada that were more "English" and he is not usually referring to England most of the time. Although he does say he is a big fan of queen Victoria. Don Cherry calls himself a redneck, none of those found in Britain or Ireland. Only Canada and the US, and the word always refers to men.

English Canadian is term Cherry was quite used to, but has since faded. Coming from Ontario he loved the English-French dichotomy in Canada. But now with cowboys, rednecks, and Quebecois in Canada, these are not "English" or "British" people.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

I like the way america uses the term "english" and sticks a US flag next to it.......classy....insulting...but we do infact know and use the term "redneck" over here, ok so a lot of people use the term CHAV.