England, NOT the mother country

[dumpthemonarchy]

Our history is mixed up. On the Peace Arch in White Rock, on the Cda-US border, it states, "Children of a Common Mother". Cdns used to be New Yorkers, Virginians and Georgians, the United Empire Loyalists who came from the Thirteen Colonies post 1782 after the American Revolution. They did not come from England. England is more accurately our grandmother country, and the United States is our mother country-according to this strange logic.

For England to be the "mother country" of Canada, a physical presence is required and that did not occur for the UELs. A mother must physically produce the goods, the political concepts cannot be first. The UELs lived in American outposts of the empire and were loyal to it, thus their name.

The first New England Puritans, Pilgrims; and Virginia settlers like John Smith (he who cavorted with Pocahontas), came from England early in the 17th century, and thus England is the mother country for the United States. But not Canada.

Most of the settlers lived in the English Thirteen Colonies for one to six generations before moving north in the 1780s to New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Quebec and Ontario and became Cdns. They had American sensibilities not English ones.

Canada obviously today has a closer relationship with the US than Britain, we are an independent country with our own traditions. Countries are not families and no country is Canada's "mother" country. This is adolescent terminology that needs modification.

Keep the Peace Arch but let's put a new motto on it. Like,

"Let No Berlin Type-Wall Separate The Two Countries Due To
Paranoia In The White House And Congress"

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

but was General Wolfe not scaling the cliff-face before the american revolution?....and he was english, just like general Brock......I know a lot of canadians poo-poo him because "he was english" but he fought and died for canada (british north america) he fought for you, so he was english, does that make him a bad person? NO

Get over it, Canada's mother country is Great Britain, the Queen has visited you 57 TIMES!!!!!....more times than she has visited most of england, Canada is the closest of all empire lands, and britain takes a lot of pride in the fact that Canada remained and remains "loyal", god dont take that away from us.


And Great Britain generally is ALSO the mother country to the anglo parts of the US (which arent many to be honest), so the way I see it, Britain has many sons and daughters, Australia, Canada, USA, NZ, South Africa....and Canada is certainly the most loved of them all.

 

[Blackleaf]

According to what I was taught, Canada got its independence from Britain and is a member of the Commonwealth.

Or have I taken the wrong end of the stick?

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

but was General Wolfe not scaling the cliff-face before the american revolution?....and he was english, just like general Brock......I know a lot of canadians poo-poo him because "he was english" but he fought and died for canada (british north america) he fought for you, so he was english, does that make him a bad person? NO

Get over it, Canada's mother country is Great Britain, the Queen has visited you 57 TIMES!!!!!....more times than she has visited most of england, Canada is the closest of all empire lands, and britain takes a lot of pride in the fact that Canada remained and remains "loyal", god dont take that away from us.


And Great Britain generally is ALSO the mother country to the anglo parts of the US (which arent many to be honest), so the way I see it, Britain has many sons and daughters, Australia, Canada, USA, NZ, South Africa....and Canada is certainly the most loved of them all.

I never understand why Canadians and Americans attack the British Empire.

After all, it was the British Empire that SPAWNED America and Canada. If it wasn't for the Britain and her Empire, there would be no America and no Canada in the world today, and the people who are now American and Canadian would instead be British, Irish, German, Swedish, Japanese, Chinese or, heaven forbid, French.

So the Americans and canadians need to thank their lucky stars that Britain had an Empire.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Ireland was and is a closer part of the empire.

I have no problem with Brock or Wolfe being English. The English are fine.

British North America was not a term used in the 18th century, it is a retrospective historical term like WASP used by the media. It is false.

Canada is a child to no other nation.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

the Balfour Act and the Westminster one aswell, Canada only recently changed the law so Britain could not directly change it's laws from westminster, no other country was and is that close.

Canada deserves it's independence, but it came through mutual respect, they deserve to become a great country and unlike their southerly "brothers", I'd be very pleased to see it

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

ah you mean like the uniting of upper and lower canada......but those WERE british colonies, no Ireland was NOWHERE NEAR as close, just geographically, but we re a million miles apart in that respect

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

I never understand why Canadians and Americans attack the British Empire.

I have never heard of anyone in the US "attack" the British Empire, we know where we came from.

After all, it was the British Empire that SPAWNED America and Canada. If it wasn't for the Britain and her Empire, there would be no America and no Canada in the world today, and the people who are now American and Canadian would instead be British, Irish, German, Swedish, Japanese, Chinese or, heaven forbid, French.

Columbus discovered America, not the British and the Dutch were one of the original settlers, New Amsterdam comes to mind.

So the Americans and canadians need to thank their lucky stars that Britain had an Empire.

Uhm..I can think of many reasons why Americans can thank the British, the empire isn't one of them.

 

[Blackleaf]

British North America was not a term used in the 18th century, it is a retrospective historical term like WASP used by the media. It is false.
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So why did Britain pass the British North America Act in 1867?

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

nah ITN is right, the US doesnt need to thank britain, although of course it was the british who got the ball rolling, They should thank the spanish though, it's most of their old land that is now the US of A

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

Columbus discovered America, not the British and the Dutch were one of the original settlers, New Amsterdam comes to

Sailors from Bristol were sailing to North America before Columbus was even born.

Uhm..I can think of many reasons why Americans can thank the British, the empire isn't one of them.

It was the British Empire that gave birth to America.

No British Empire = No America today and No Americans and No Hollywood Movies.

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

nah ITN is right, the US doesnt need to thank britain, although of course it was the british who got the ball rolling, They should thank the spanish though, it's most of their old land that is now the US of A

But the 13 ORIGINAL colonies, the founding states of the United States, were British colonies.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

nah ITN is right, the US doesnt need to thank britain, although of course it was the british who got the ball rolling, They should thank the spanish though, it's most of their old land that is now the US of A

I didn't say that, I said I can think of many reasons Americans should thank the British, except for the empire itself.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

nah ITN is right, the US doesnt need to thank britain, although of course it was the british who got the ball rolling, They should thank the spanish though, it's most of their old land that is now the US of A

But the 13 ORIGINAL colonies, the founding states of the United States, were British colonies.

Yeah, but you took them away from others before you, like New Amsterdam from the Dutch?

 

[Hank C]

When will Canada become a republic............

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

No British Empire = No America today and No Americans and No Hollywood Movies.

And that's a bad thing why? :lol:

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

lol....it already is Hank C, nobody is forcing Canada....get that strait, Britain has neither the military might or inclanation to force canada to do ANYTHING.....you ARE an independent republic remember that, it's YOUR choice

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

The BNA act was passed in the 19th century, 1867, the term British North America was starting to be used in the early 19th century, but not even that frequently. Think about it, Nova Scotia voted against Confed, but the politicans made it happen; PEI opted out in 1867 but joined in 1871 for more $$$$$; and Newfoundland did not join until 1949. Confed was largely a central Cdn project and the public did not vote on it.

No one used the term WASP in the 19th century. Fact.

The British empire had its good points, but it did not get the moniker British until the late 18th and early 19th century when the US was on its own.

The British empire did not spawn Cda or the US. Spain in the 16th and 17th centuries sent armies of bureaucrats, priests and soldiers to Mexico and Peru, did England do that for the Thirteen Colonies? No, not at all, it was completely an investment. The Puritans, Pilgrims and John Smith were on their own as several earlier attempts at Emglish colonization failed prior to 1606.

It was Spain that sent the wardogs against Indians, the English begged for corn.

 

[I think not]

dumpthemonarchy

Your Head of State is the Queen of England.

Royals have been in and out of Canada for the past two centuries.

You have Crown lands not public lands

You have Crown corporations not public corporations.

You were flying the Union Jack up until after WWII.

You were considered British subjects until 1931.

I would think you know who your mommy was, and still is, to a certain extent.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

my god....I finally agree with ITN.