Easter Rebellion 90th anniversary

[Blackleaf]

Not really. I think supporting the Nazis is wrong, even if they are fighting your old Imperial Master Britain.

I think it was wrong for the Irish to be fighting the British for their independence when the British were busy trying to fight the Germans. Just before WWI, the British were about to give Ireland its independence. It had been years in the planning. But Irish independence had to be postponed because WWI started in 1914. The Irish didn't think "Well, we'll wait until the British defeat the Germans, and then after that they'll give us our independence."

No, instead they had to rise against the British whilst we were fighting the Germans, and the Easter Rising was notorious in helping German war efforts as we had to conventrate on fighting Irish Republicans for a little while. When all they had to do was wait patiently until the after the War was over.

And I've just read on a website that anti-Semitism is still rife in the Republic of Ireland. A couple of years ago, in a football match between the Republic of Ireland and Israel in Dublin, the Irish fans sang anti-Semitic chants and raised their hands in Hitler salutes - and I think the Irish authorities did NOTHING to stop it.

In an English football ground, if just one fan gave a NAZI salute he would be punished.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Easter Rebellion 90th

I think you have to look at in context, I suppose the irish never realised that if britain did indeed call for a ceasefire with the nazi's like hitler so desperately wanted, there would be non-one to back them and it's probable they would still be controlled by us today.

you also have to realise a "nazi salute" is not a "persay" racist thing anyway, it's an old roman salute proclaiming that there is nothing in one's hand, perhaps thats all the irish meant

thing you gotta realise, and I find this quite akin to WBA backing Pompey last year (even though it deeply offended me, because southampton have done nothing to them, but they clearly nail their colours with the side that eventually relegated em) that even though this arguement is between us, no-one else quite understands and anything anyone else (Irish americans) do is bound to offend.

 

[Blackleaf]

think you have to look at in context, I suppose the irish never realised that if britain did indeed call for a ceasefire with the nazi's like hitler so desperately wanted, there would be non-one to back them and it's probable they would still be controlled by us today.

So? They would still be a part of the United Kingdom, the most democratic nation on Earth, the world's oldest surviving democracy.

That - or ruled by Nazi Germany.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Easter Rebellion 90th

exactly, so the nazi's would not have been good news for them either.....that indeed was my point

 

[Finder]

Blackleaf Nazi support was much more prevalent in pre-war UK then at any time in main land Ireland. Famous Brits who come to mind just off the top of my head, Neville Chamberlain UK PM who made pacts with Hitler, Mosley the leader of the fascist Party of the UK a large facsist movement outwardly allied with the Nazi's and King Edward, the Nazi King of the UK which supported Hitler and the Nazi's. Blackleaf these are only a few with come to mind when I think of fascists and the UK.

It's amazing how you try to revise history and get onto your high horse.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Easter Rebellion 90th

yeah it is amazing that it took a man with dual US/UK Nationality to wake everyone up to it, it was shameful by the british governement, and if they were prepared like the great winston churchill warned, non of this would have happened.

Shame on Chamberlain, shame on the british public in the 30's and mostly shame on Mosley

 

[Finder]

You can't really blame the puplic... they were traumatized by ww1, I think many of us put into the same situation would have felt the same way, that war should be averted at almost any cost. The only problem was that with Hitler... War could not be averted, thus trying to acieve peace with Hitler only made him stronger.

Mosley, and the movement he also made (I believe after he left the Conservative party) was pretty evil and very big at one time. Surprisingly Hitler's secrect plans for the UK after occupation was not to us Mosley or his fascists, but Hitler like in other nations they invaded wanted to use a more "legitiment" body. He was actually planning on using parts of the conservative party which had made deals with him in the past and possibly the ex-king and Chamberlain as the pupet government. In the plans there was no talk of Mosley at all. If we take what happend in Germany and other parts of Europe, Mosley most likely may have been eliminated if he did not follow orders from Germany. Such as the Leader of the SA when they did not follow direct orders from Hitler were killed during the night of long daggers and the SA destoryed .