Down with dual citizenship!
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Give Dual Citizens the Benefit of the Doubt
I believe that citizens who hold dual citizenship should, unless they give a reason otherwise, be given the benefit of the doubt by the Government of Canada. Citizens should be permitted to hold several citizenships.
I would submit that the following policies should be taken into consideration for debate by members of this Board, and furthermore, by Members of Parliament (they are going to be submitted to my Member of Parliament once the next session opens):
(a) A citizen of Canada may choose to pursue citizenship in any other country, provided that such a country, at the time of the pursual of citizenship, is not presently at war with Canada, and is not under heavy export restrictions, at the discretion of the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration;
(b) If a country with which a citizen of Canada holds citizenship declares war on Canada, or Canada declares war on such a country, then the Government of Canada shall require that such a citizen be asked to renew their Oath of Allegiance to Canada and the Queen of Canada, or if preferred, a similar-in-principle oath to Canada;
(c) If a citizen refuses to renew his or her Oath of Allegiance, pursuant to Section (b) of this proposal, then such a citizen may have his or her Canadian citizenship revoked, if a ruling of an independant commission, to be styled the Commission on Wartime Citizenship Status, so deems appropriate;
(d) A ruling made pursuant to Section (c) of this proposal may be overturned without notice by the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, or through an appeal process to be conducted through the Federal Court of Appeal and, if the Federal decision is appealed, then the Supreme Court of Canada.
(e) No citizen of Canada, or permanent resident of Canada, or anyone found to be within the borders of Canada, whether or not such a person holds status within Canada or the Provinces thereof, shall be deported exclusively for the reason that such a person is a citizen of, or has resided in or does reside in, a country with which Canada is at war.
Just some thoughts and ideas on my part.
:!: Edit Corrected to accomodate alternative oaths, and corrected a typo.
I believe that citizens who hold dual citizenship should, unless they give a reason otherwise, be given the benefit of the doubt by the Government of Canada. Citizens should be permitted to hold several citizenships.
I would submit that the following policies should be taken into consideration for debate by members of this Board, and furthermore, by Members of Parliament (they are going to be submitted to my Member of Parliament once the next session opens):
(a) A citizen of Canada may choose to pursue citizenship in any other country, provided that such a country, at the time of the pursual of citizenship, is not presently at war with Canada, and is not under heavy export restrictions, at the discretion of the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration;
(b) If a country with which a citizen of Canada holds citizenship declares war on Canada, or Canada declares war on such a country, then the Government of Canada shall require that such a citizen be asked to renew their Oath of Allegiance to Canada and the Queen of Canada, or if preferred, a similar-in-principle oath to Canada;
(c) If a citizen refuses to renew his or her Oath of Allegiance, pursuant to Section (b) of this proposal, then such a citizen may have his or her Canadian citizenship revoked, if a ruling of an independant commission, to be styled the Commission on Wartime Citizenship Status, so deems appropriate;
(d) A ruling made pursuant to Section (c) of this proposal may be overturned without notice by the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, or through an appeal process to be conducted through the Federal Court of Appeal and, if the Federal decision is appealed, then the Supreme Court of Canada.
(e) No citizen of Canada, or permanent resident of Canada, or anyone found to be within the borders of Canada, whether or not such a person holds status within Canada or the Provinces thereof, shall be deported exclusively for the reason that such a person is a citizen of, or has resided in or does reside in, a country with which Canada is at war.
Just some thoughts and ideas on my part.
:!: Edit Corrected to accomodate alternative oaths, and corrected a typo.
RE: Down with dual citize
From purely an economic standpoint, there is no incentive to be a dual. You are required to pay dual taxes..can only invest in the most limited selective way, so on and so forth.
But besides all of that, i would not want to give up my Canadian citizenship if i were to become an american. I don't see why an arbitrarily defined border show define who I am.
In fact, i wish that immigration rules were less stringint. I should be able to move where ever i want to live for work purposes without having to be either sponosored, married or have a job in my field. If i made a choice to move to the US..so be it.
From purely an economic standpoint, there is no incentive to be a dual. You are required to pay dual taxes..can only invest in the most limited selective way, so on and so forth.
But besides all of that, i would not want to give up my Canadian citizenship if i were to become an american. I don't see why an arbitrarily defined border show define who I am.
In fact, i wish that immigration rules were less stringint. I should be able to move where ever i want to live for work purposes without having to be either sponosored, married or have a job in my field. If i made a choice to move to the US..so be it.
A friend of mine has dual citizenship with the U.S. One of his parents was born there and half his family if there. In that sort of case I understand having dule citizenship. However he says that if things keep going like they have in the states he may get rid if it. He views himself the be Canadian compleatly.
My aunts and uncles lived under dual US Canadian citizenship quite happily. When I went to a dinner at their house in the US I was litterly attacked because "I" sold "my" wheat to China!
After living down there their whole lives the Canadian part simply wore off! Knowing Americans who have moved to Canada on the other hand, seem to remain American forever; Canadian being a convenience of one form or another.
Having said all that the Memers of the Fraser Institute are a number of US Canadian dual citizenship. All for opening up the borders; all for unlimited access to industry both ways. All fail to realize that the north bound business people are treated as though they are entering a country were as the south bound people have to face a second hearing, that of the state they are going to.
It comes to mind that one of Alberta's "elected" or "nominated" senators was of dual citizen ship. These guys have no problem with a US citizen holding a place in the senate.
The Fraser institue is behind Harper 100%. That's where most his "good ideas" come from; the US membership in the Fraser Institute.
After living down there their whole lives the Canadian part simply wore off! Knowing Americans who have moved to Canada on the other hand, seem to remain American forever; Canadian being a convenience of one form or another.
Having said all that the Memers of the Fraser Institute are a number of US Canadian dual citizenship. All for opening up the borders; all for unlimited access to industry both ways. All fail to realize that the north bound business people are treated as though they are entering a country were as the south bound people have to face a second hearing, that of the state they are going to.
It comes to mind that one of Alberta's "elected" or "nominated" senators was of dual citizen ship. These guys have no problem with a US citizen holding a place in the senate.
The Fraser institue is behind Harper 100%. That's where most his "good ideas" come from; the US membership in the Fraser Institute.
Paradox you should run for parliment. you appear to draw up policy on a whim. lol. Either that or make a mirco-nation. lol.
Thank you, Finder.
With any luck, you're reading the posts of the future Hon. Member for Newton—North Delta.
With any luck, you're reading the posts of the future Hon. Member for Newton—North Delta.
I'd vote for you for sure. Well as long as you made a promise to me about voting for electoral reform and seante reform you would have my vote 100%, even if you are a Liberal. lmao
Well, lol, I think on this forum I've gotten a bit better at compromising with, for lack of a better term, "the Opposition" when the debate reaches a certain "critical" point where neither side would budge, lol.
Re: RE: Down with dual citizenship!
Thats why you'd make a good MP. We need more ppl like you.
BTW I I finished my nomination at City Council today. Hopefully I'll get elected myself. But you should really consider going for MPP or MP with the Liberals or the NDP, I have a feeling you'd do very well and help a lot of people.
I almost believe it's your civic duty to run.
FiveParadox said:
Thats why you'd make a good MP. We need more ppl like you.
BTW I I finished my nomination at City Council today. Hopefully I'll get elected myself. But you should really consider going for MPP or MP with the Liberals or the NDP, I have a feeling you'd do very well and help a lot of people.
I almost believe it's your civic duty to run.
The best of luck to you in regards to City Council!Finder said:
:arrow: Returning to the subject at hand ...
I oppose dual citizenship only where a citizen would not be willing to reaffirm one's allegiance to Canada when "times get tough," but for the most part, I approve of the concept in principle.
The finer details need to be debated, however, at length. There is never an "entirely" correct or incorrect response to any question of policy, as I have learned well debating on these forums; there is always a middle ground, that almost always would at least satisfy, if not place, all sides of the debate.
then paradox, what do you say of canadian citizens that will not swear allegence to "canada" period?
when considering this issue, we must also consider the ramifications for "canadian only" citizens.
when considering this issue, we must also consider the ramifications for "canadian only" citizens.
My dad was a dual citizen, born in Canada, but served in the US armed forces after WWII. He did this due to his attendance at a University in the US that provided him with the opportunity to serve. He was unable to vote in either country if he wanted to keep the dual citizenship, as once he voted, he was deemed to have become a member of that country.
I don't know the present rules, my dad died ten years ago, and he was a dual citizen until his death. After that, I looked into it, but found the process to be very beauracratic, with far too many rules.
I don't know the present rules, my dad died ten years ago, and he was a dual citizen until his death. After that, I looked into it, but found the process to be very beauracratic, with far too many rules.
Oath of Allegiance
Any citizen not born in Canada is required to owe their allegiance to the country, or to the country and the Crown, depending on their preference. Those born in Canada are not required, since the oath of their parents, or of whomever in their line came to Canada, are subject to the oath in a de facto manner.
Any citizen not born in Canada is required to owe their allegiance to the country, or to the country and the Crown, depending on their preference. Those born in Canada are not required, since the oath of their parents, or of whomever in their line came to Canada, are subject to the oath in a de facto manner.
No one is required to owe their allegiance to the country of their birth. They are only expected to follow and respect the laws and act accordingly. I being born a citizen of Canada have never sworn allegiance in anyway, I personally love Canada but do not feel the need to swear some oath(pledge
) of allegiance.
sorry, that does not fly. one is not bound by the oaths of one's forebearers.
I was born here and i do not hold any oath to canada, and epecially not to the queen.
I was born here and i do not hold any oath to canada, and epecially not to the queen.
Firstly, there is an error in my previous post; the first sentence should have read that any citizen not born in Canada must pledge allegiance to Canada, or Canada and the Crown.
the caracal kid, citizens are not required to pledge allegiance to the Queen; there are two separate oaths, and the one that is administered is the decision of the one making the oath; one is to the country, in particular, and another is to both the Queen and the country. I know how much you despise anything and everything to do with Queen Elisabeth, lol.
the caracal kid, citizens are not required to pledge allegiance to the Queen; there are two separate oaths, and the one that is administered is the decision of the one making the oath; one is to the country, in particular, and another is to both the Queen and the country. I know how much you despise anything and everything to do with Queen Elisabeth, lol.