Do you support Inter-marriage??
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You are right it should not be an issue. But some people still believe that skin colour, religion and sexual persuasion are an issue. Look at the thread regarding when life begins, quite a diversity don't you think. Would any of us of agree on one point and compromise our belief?
Re: RE: Do you support Inter-marriage??
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Tell me about it. Now, if I could just learn something that will restore my faith in this country... Like some long overdue arrests had been carried out... But I suppose that's still a couple months away. :x
Kodiak said:
Tell me about it. Now, if I could just learn something that will restore my faith in this country... Like some long overdue arrests had been carried out... But I suppose that's still a couple months away. :x
Modern Day Inter-Marriage
http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NA...2&call_pageid=1020420665036&col=1112101662670
July 1, 2006
Gay officers to wed
Darren Pittman, the Halifax Chronicle-Herald
Jason Tree, left, and David Connors say their marriage isn't about making a political statement.
RCMP constables say they're stunned by international media attention
By Alison Auld
The Canadian Press
HALIFAX (Jun 30, 2006)
A day before Canada marks its 139th birthday, a young couple will wed in a ceremony that is sure to cast one of the country's most iconic symbols in a whole new light.
Dressed in their distinctive scarlet coats, RCMP constables Jason Tree and David Connors will exchange vows before a justice of the peace and a troop of other Mounties in their fabled red serge.
Reaction to the wedding -- the first between two male RCMP officers -- has befuddled the couple, who have been overwhelmed by interview requests and congratulations from well-wishers they've never met.
"We don't see our wedding as anything different or special," Tree, 27, said in an interview from his detachment in Meteghan on Nova Scotia's southwest coast.
"Our goal was to get married, not have an international media story.
"I fail to see the big deal."
Tree,an RCMP officer for six years, said he's received about 60 letters from strangers congratulating him on the big event and praising the couple for publicly proclaiming their love and doing so in uniform.
They will recite their vows before about 100 family members and friends in a hall in Yarmouth, a town of 8,000 best known for its lobster industry.
Tree said he and Connors, who works in nearby Yarmouth, never intended to make a political statement. "I don't think there's any difference between us and anyone else who wants to get married," said Tree, who met Connors more than eight years ago at the University of New Brunswick in Fredericton.
"I'm interested in getting married with David and I guess I'm not interested in engaging in a political debate or anything like that."
Tree said the RCMP have been supportive of his relationship since he joined the force.
Sgt. Frank Skidmore said the organization is trying to reflect a broader spectrum of the Canadian community.
"People look at Canadian icons with their own eyes and if it changes it for them, then so be it," he said. "But it certainly doesn't change anything for us."
http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NA...2&call_pageid=1020420665036&col=1112101662670
July 1, 2006
Gay officers to wed
Darren Pittman, the Halifax Chronicle-Herald
Jason Tree, left, and David Connors say their marriage isn't about making a political statement.
RCMP constables say they're stunned by international media attention
By Alison Auld
The Canadian Press
HALIFAX (Jun 30, 2006)
A day before Canada marks its 139th birthday, a young couple will wed in a ceremony that is sure to cast one of the country's most iconic symbols in a whole new light.
Dressed in their distinctive scarlet coats, RCMP constables Jason Tree and David Connors will exchange vows before a justice of the peace and a troop of other Mounties in their fabled red serge.
Reaction to the wedding -- the first between two male RCMP officers -- has befuddled the couple, who have been overwhelmed by interview requests and congratulations from well-wishers they've never met.
"We don't see our wedding as anything different or special," Tree, 27, said in an interview from his detachment in Meteghan on Nova Scotia's southwest coast.
"Our goal was to get married, not have an international media story.
"I fail to see the big deal."
Tree,an RCMP officer for six years, said he's received about 60 letters from strangers congratulating him on the big event and praising the couple for publicly proclaiming their love and doing so in uniform.
They will recite their vows before about 100 family members and friends in a hall in Yarmouth, a town of 8,000 best known for its lobster industry.
Tree said he and Connors, who works in nearby Yarmouth, never intended to make a political statement. "I don't think there's any difference between us and anyone else who wants to get married," said Tree, who met Connors more than eight years ago at the University of New Brunswick in Fredericton.
"I'm interested in getting married with David and I guess I'm not interested in engaging in a political debate or anything like that."
Tree said the RCMP have been supportive of his relationship since he joined the force.
Sgt. Frank Skidmore said the organization is trying to reflect a broader spectrum of the Canadian community.
"People look at Canadian icons with their own eyes and if it changes it for them, then so be it," he said. "But it certainly doesn't change anything for us."
athabaska said:Jersay said:So too athabaska that means no. Thank you for going around the long way.
No. It means that life isn't simplistic and there is more to the human condition than your own experience. A kneejerk 'yes' may be politically correct but there is a real world that can't always be divided into 'yes and no' or 'I'm an enlightened individual and you're not'.
The overwhelming majority of people in the world are not comfortable with everybody marrying anybody. Not because they are ignorant or not but because they understand that there are real consequences. Do they want their daughter beaten and ostracized? Grandchildren shuuned and disowned? Children not able to rise above a station in life? If your daughter is a Muslim and she marries a Jew, do you think she will be welcomed by her grandparents when she visits the small village in Bangladesh?
The irony of your comments is that you claim to be 'open' but your perspective is from a narrow slit devoid of other experiences. You 'assume' a liberal western culture in which everyone is 'just like us'. There was a famous book called 'Black like me' and one of the themes was that white liberals are open as long as being open means that everyone can be just like them.
I don't think you are a willing bigot but ignorance is apparent.
hint: 95% of the world's population doesn't live in ignorance while western white liberals bask in enlightenment.
Interesting thought you got there. I am going to check up on the book.
RE: Do you support Inter-
I do not support inter-marriage or homosexual marriage.
But I do not support heterosexual marriages either.
I don't like the idea of a social contract for that sort of thing, especially one where they get any benefits over the rest of society.
Love doesn't require a social contract, and is not as inflexible as one either.
Anyhow, it's wonderful when people from different (or similar) religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, language, or whatever get together and have a loving relationship.
I do not support inter-marriage or homosexual marriage.
But I do not support heterosexual marriages either.
I don't like the idea of a social contract for that sort of thing, especially one where they get any benefits over the rest of society.
Love doesn't require a social contract, and is not as inflexible as one either.
Anyhow, it's wonderful when people from different (or similar) religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, language, or whatever get together and have a loving relationship.
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In the same way, you could have a white and a black parent, raised in a common culture, both native speakers of English, both monolingual, both similar life experience, and those kids will be no brighter than any other born to an all-white family. In fact, if one parent is russian, and the other German, and they're living in France, the kid from the all-white family might be brighter than the inter-racial
I think that has less to do with the race, and more with the culture. I had friends in toronto a few years back. he was Persian, she was Chinese, and the kid was trilingual. but honestly, I don't think it had anything whatsoever to do with race, but with what ws between the parents' ears.mimiki said:
In the same way, you could have a white and a black parent, raised in a common culture, both native speakers of English, both monolingual, both similar life experience, and those kids will be no brighter than any other born to an all-white family. In fact, if one parent is russian, and the other German, and they're living in France, the kid from the all-white family might be brighter than the inter-racial
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I completely agree with this, and I don't think it needs to me a huge religious difference. Very often protestants and Catholics can't get along properly when it comes to how the children will be raised. It only takes two people who are steadfast in there beliefs, even if they aren’t more "extreme" beliefs.
My current girl friend is/was catholic; luckily she disagrees with many of the questionable beliefs and practices of the catholic religion and therefore became very open to being protestant.
Even with her objectivity in realizing there are some really screwy things with the catholic religion she still took a while to come around to denouncing Roman Catholicism because she had been a "Roman Catholic" her whole life. We had a lot of time to work out the kinks in our mutual belief and we could do so long before children were of concern (they still aren't).
Now that we are on the same page, I don't see any reason why we couldn't have children, but I couldn't have said that a few years ago simply due to the difference in religion.
on a side note, she is Canadian from Italian decent and lives in Woodbridge (for those of you that don't know Woodbridge is like the Italy suburbs of Toronto) I am Canadian from Irish/Polish/Scottish/French decent. Even though her whole family has previously married within the Italian ethnicity her family has no problems accepting me. (even with my converting their daughter - non-catholic beliefs)
LittleRunningGag said:
I completely agree with this, and I don't think it needs to me a huge religious difference. Very often protestants and Catholics can't get along properly when it comes to how the children will be raised. It only takes two people who are steadfast in there beliefs, even if they aren’t more "extreme" beliefs.
My current girl friend is/was catholic; luckily she disagrees with many of the questionable beliefs and practices of the catholic religion and therefore became very open to being protestant.
Even with her objectivity in realizing there are some really screwy things with the catholic religion she still took a while to come around to denouncing Roman Catholicism because she had been a "Roman Catholic" her whole life. We had a lot of time to work out the kinks in our mutual belief and we could do so long before children were of concern (they still aren't).
Now that we are on the same page, I don't see any reason why we couldn't have children, but I couldn't have said that a few years ago simply due to the difference in religion.
on a side note, she is Canadian from Italian decent and lives in Woodbridge (for those of you that don't know Woodbridge is like the Italy suburbs of Toronto) I am Canadian from Irish/Polish/Scottish/French decent. Even though her whole family has previously married within the Italian ethnicity her family has no problems accepting me. (even with my converting their daughter - non-catholic beliefs)
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well, this is dismissing the benefits of a strong family unit, which are numerous. Marriage with the expectation of children serves the born child very well for its development.
Many studies have shown that children with both of their biological parents do better in life than those without. That is across ALL social boundries and wealth classes.
humanbeing said:
well, this is dismissing the benefits of a strong family unit, which are numerous. Marriage with the expectation of children serves the born child very well for its development.
Many studies have shown that children with both of their biological parents do better in life than those without. That is across ALL social boundries and wealth classes.
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I would hardly say any of those things are trivial, they are all VERY obvious differences.
We as a society feel save with what we know, yes... EVEN YOU. Don't lie to your self and think that if there is a group with 100 white guys and 5 black guys that the black guys won't at least somewhat conjugate.
if you don't belive me go to a suburb highschool and look at the groups. If there are a small but noticable number of similar ethnic students they will conjugate. Being with people more obvioulsy like us makes as feel less vulnerable, and more comfortable.
Jersay said:
I would hardly say any of those things are trivial, they are all VERY obvious differences.
We as a society feel save with what we know, yes... EVEN YOU. Don't lie to your self and think that if there is a group with 100 white guys and 5 black guys that the black guys won't at least somewhat conjugate.
if you don't belive me go to a suburb highschool and look at the groups. If there are a small but noticable number of similar ethnic students they will conjugate. Being with people more obvioulsy like us makes as feel less vulnerable, and more comfortable.
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Parents can raise their children together WITHOUT a marital contract. So I am not dismissing anything that you say I am.
Graeme said:
Parents can raise their children together WITHOUT a marital contract. So I am not dismissing anything that you say I am.
Jersay said:
I think I'd be okay with everything except the religion part. If my son or daughters decided to change their religion to suit their prospective spouse, I'd definitely be a little P'd off.
However, since I am married to an Asian woman myself, I cannot complain about race, nationality, language, or skin colour. It makes for some dificult times, but I think it makes everybody better: not only are our children benefiting from a larger gene pool, they are also benefiting from having two cultures influence their lives instead of just one.
Why did I marry an Asian woman? It just happened; I didn't go out looking specifically for a woman from the Orient. I had dated several Canadian (caucasian) women before. However, I had not "clicked" with any of them. Maybe it is just me, but I don't care for women with green hair, pierced nipples, and a lazy attitude. When I met my wife, she was a real breath of fresh air: intelligent, good work ethic, respect for education, etc. -- all the things Canadians may have been--30 years ago!
In any case, to each their own. But I would encourage everybody to look at inter-marriage as a good adventure, rather than a bad thing.
-- David
DavidB said:
Dude, you are just dating the wrong Canadian women, HAHA.... My Lady has brown hair only pierced ear lobes, and is diffidently not lazy. And I know about 500 other girls the same as her who are all very capable women, with very high aspirations, who would make excellent companions.
Sorry to be presumptuous but my guess is you are not very good with dating/women, and probably are umm a little socially inept - hence the fact that you got along so well with a girl who did not naturally fit in to our society. I could go in to more depth but this praticular portion of social-psychology is way off topic....
REALLY I AM NOT TRYING TO BE INSULTING.. I know numerous people who would fit that profile very well. This is also pretty much void if your wife (whom I am sure is a very lovely person) was fully integrated in to our society before you met her. (As in she was born here and did not primarily conjugate with people of her own ethnicity)
edit: which I don't think is true because you think of her as different from Canadian women
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The fact is that living in sustained units also benefit the economy, groups of people have more disposable income. Much like certain social programs which provide support for people benefit the economy. (Obviously there are limits and hence the term "cost benefit analysis"). This is also why society it self is beneficial by not having everyone do everything for themselves we start to have an economy which allows for growth in said economy.
lol This is turning in to a trans-micro-macro economics lesson
marriage promotes such things, and therefore is deserving of benefits.
Oh absolutely but marriage promotes staying together and provides benefits to those who say they will stay together. You can think of those benefits as reward for helping benefit our economy if you wish.humanbeing said:
The fact is that living in sustained units also benefit the economy, groups of people have more disposable income. Much like certain social programs which provide support for people benefit the economy. (Obviously there are limits and hence the term "cost benefit analysis"). This is also why society it self is beneficial by not having everyone do everything for themselves we start to have an economy which allows for growth in said economy.
lol This is turning in to a trans-micro-macro economics lesson
marriage promotes such things, and therefore is deserving of benefits.
Graeme said:
I suppose so, since we never really connected.
I am not James Bond, but I was not a house shrew either.
I took night-school courses, joined sports teams, joined a few clubs, volunteered in the community, went out quite a lot, etc. The only thing I never got into was the bar scene; I could never sit around and just drink and make up conversation. The only women I met were older women whose kids had grown up to the point they could take night-school courses, or were divorced, or were on UI, or they were 30-something going on 13--the only thing in life that mattered was the next party (duh!). Ugh!! I couldn't stand those women. Not sure where the nice ones are hiding.
In any case, the point is moot. I'm happy. You're happy. Some nice Canadian women exist (supposedly). So let's leave it at that.
-- David